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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:14 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:59 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:10 am
The illusory God emerged out of human psychology [pain, i.e. existential pains], then God as attributed with qualities.
Thus if we deal with the psychology we will be able to resolve all problems arising from God.

But pain is an illusion as it cannot be empirically proven.

That is why I state you are very ignorant on the relevant issues.
Yes, pain is firstly subjective, but it is objective when there is intersubjective consensus on what is 'pain'.

I suggest you do research on the subject of 'pain' down to the generic neural circuit that trigger pain.
Example; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain#Mechanism

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:21 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:14 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 3:59 am
But pain is an illusion as it cannot be empirically proven.

That is why I state you are very ignorant on the relevant issues.
Yes, pain is firstly subjective, but it is objective when there is intersubjective consensus on what is 'pain'.

I suggest you do research on the subject of 'pain' down to the generic neural circuit that trigger pain.
Example; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain#Mechanism

But that consensus, under modern logic, is a fallacy.

Second if you have multiple people seeing the same thing from different angles, who says it is the same thing. You are left with pain being subject to so many definitions it means nothing empirically.

So a neural circuit determines pain...does that neural circuit trigger for a broken heart or slapped ego? Or are those pains transcendental illusions?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:34 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:21 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:14 am
That is why I state you are very ignorant on the relevant issues.
Yes, pain is firstly subjective, but it is objective when there is intersubjective consensus on what is 'pain'.

I suggest you do research on the subject of 'pain' down to the generic neural circuit that trigger pain.
Example; https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pain#Mechanism

But that consensus, under modern logic, is a fallacy.

Second if you have multiple people seeing the same thing from different angles, who says it is the same thing. You are left with pain being subject to so many definitions it means nothing empirically.

So a neural circuit determines pain...does that neural circuit trigger for a broken heart or slapped ego? Or are those pains transcendental illusions?

Yes, all pains are triggered from the same neural pain circuit which is generic in all humans.
The neural pain circuit is like a spider web which is interconnected to many other parts of the brain. Thus whatever is connected to it when triggered will manifest pain to one's consciousness or subconsciousness.

Studies then...prove it. Show me how a broken heart or beaten ego is linked directly to this circuit alone without making any assumptions.


In some cases there could be wrong connections where what is supposedly to be happy is connected to the pain circuit and thus trigger pain out of happiness or good.
I suggest you do more research on pain especially conscious and subconscious pains, the latter [Angst, anxieties, etc.] are responsible to drive theists to God.

Studies....

Note logic is merely a guide for the practical.

Actually it can't be as it can be construed as a transcendental illusion. And practicality is subjective an undefined. Most actions are intrinsically useless.



Yes Science is fallacious in logic, i.e. it is not deductive but inductive.
If one swan is black, science still works.

Works for what, when you say we need logic for practical endeavors but science is illogical yet practical.

What is this practicality but a concept akin to a transcendental illusion?


Whatever the limitation of logic in this case [not all cases], Science is still objective based on intersubjective consensus.
Do you dismiss all scientific theories because to you they are fundamentally fallacious?

Facts are transitory ghost stories trying to explain reality. "Scientifically" scientific facts change.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:56 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:34 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:21 am

But that consensus, under modern logic, is a fallacy.

Second if you have multiple people seeing the same thing from different angles, who says it is the same thing. You are left with pain being subject to so many definitions it means nothing empirically.

So a neural circuit determines pain...does that neural circuit trigger for a broken heart or slapped ego? Or are those pains transcendental illusions?

Yes, all pains are triggered from the same neural pain circuit which is generic in all humans.
The neural pain circuit is like a spider web which is interconnected to many other parts of the brain. Thus whatever is connected to it when triggered will manifest pain to one's consciousness or subconsciousness.

Studies then...prove it. Show me how a broken heart or beaten ego is linked directly to this circuit alone without making any assumptions.


In some cases there could be wrong connections where what is supposedly to be happy is connected to the pain circuit and thus trigger pain out of happiness or good.
I suggest you do more research on pain especially conscious and subconscious pains, the latter [Angst, anxieties, etc.] are responsible to drive theists to God.

Studies....

Note logic is merely a guide for the practical.

Actually it can't be as it can be construed as a transcendental illusion. And practicality is subjective an undefined. Most actions are intrinsically useless.



Yes Science is fallacious in logic, i.e. it is not deductive but inductive.
If one swan is black, science still works.

Works for what, when you say we need logic for practical endeavors but science is illogical yet practical.

What is this practicality but a concept akin to a transcendental illusion?


Whatever the limitation of logic in this case [not all cases], Science is still objective based on intersubjective consensus.
Do you dismiss all scientific theories because to you they are fundamentally fallacious?

Facts are transitory ghost stories trying to explain reality. "Scientifically" scientific facts change.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:34 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:21 am

But that consensus, under modern logic, is a fallacy.

Second if you have multiple people seeing the same thing from different angles, who says it is the same thing. You are left with pain being subject to so many definitions it means nothing empirically.

So a neural circuit determines pain...does that neural circuit trigger for a broken heart or slapped ego? Or are those pains transcendental illusions?

Yes, all pains are triggered from the same neural pain circuit which is generic in all humans.
The neural pain circuit is like a spider web which is interconnected to many other parts of the brain. Thus whatever is connected to it when triggered will manifest pain to one's consciousness or subconsciousness.

Studies then...prove it. Show me how a broken heart or beaten ego is linked directly to this circuit alone without making any assumptions.

• The intense pain of a broken heart is believed to be part of the survival instinct. The "social-attachment system" uses the "pain system" to encourage humans to maintain their close social relationships by causing pain when those relationships are lost.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:53 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:56 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:34 am
Yes, all pains are triggered from the same neural pain circuit which is generic in all humans.
The neural pain circuit is like a spider web which is interconnected to many other parts of the brain. Thus whatever is connected to it when triggered will manifest pain to one's consciousness or subconsciousness.

Studies then...prove it. Show me how a broken heart or beaten ego is linked directly to this circuit alone without making any assumptions.


In some cases there could be wrong connections where what is supposedly to be happy is connected to the pain circuit and thus trigger pain out of happiness or good.
I suggest you do more research on pain especially conscious and subconscious pains, the latter [Angst, anxieties, etc.] are responsible to drive theists to God.

Studies....

Note logic is merely a guide for the practical.

Actually it can't be as it can be construed as a transcendental illusion. And practicality is subjective an undefined. Most actions are intrinsically useless.



Yes Science is fallacious in logic, i.e. it is not deductive but inductive.
If one swan is black, science still works.

Works for what, when you say we need logic for practical endeavors but science is illogical yet practical.

What is this practicality but a concept akin to a transcendental illusion?


Whatever the limitation of logic in this case [not all cases], Science is still objective based on intersubjective consensus.
Do you dismiss all scientific theories because to you they are fundamentally fallacious?

Facts are transitory ghost stories trying to explain reality. "Scientifically" scientific facts change.

Say,, if you are living along the East coast of Japan and there is a warning of a strong tsunami upon a 9.5 richter scale earthquake.
Because the warning is based on scientific knowledge, you will then ignore the warnings because to you scientific theories are fallacious?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:56 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:34 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:21 am

But that consensus, under modern logic, is a fallacy.

Second if you have multiple people seeing the same thing from different angles, who says it is the same thing. You are left with pain being subject to so many definitions it means nothing empirically.

So a neural circuit determines pain...does that neural circuit trigger for a broken heart or slapped ego? Or are those pains transcendental illusions?

Yes, all pains are triggered from the same neural pain circuit which is generic in all humans.
The neural pain circuit is like a spider web which is interconnected to many other parts of the brain. Thus whatever is connected to it when triggered will manifest pain to one's consciousness or subconsciousness.

Studies then...prove it. Show me how a broken heart or beaten ego is linked directly to this circuit alone without making any assumptions.

As I had stated you are ignorant of this thus need to research on this subject.

Read this;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_heart#Physiology

• The intense pain of a broken heart is believed to be part of the survival instinct. The "social-attachment system" uses the "pain system" to encourage humans to maintain their close social relationships by causing pain when those relationships are lost.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:02 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:53 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:56 am

Say,, if you are living along the East coast of Japan and there is a warning of a strong tsunami upon a 9.5 richter scale earthquake.
Because the warning is based on scientific knowledge, you will then ignore the warnings because to you scientific theories are fallacious?

What about the tornado warnings where the tornado never came? Or the warning of "danger ahead possible falling rocks" when no rocks fall.

You can strap a warning to anything.....often times bad science and reasoning create warnings as well.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:06 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:56 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 4:34 am
Yes, all pains are triggered from the same neural pain circuit which is generic in all humans.
The neural pain circuit is like a spider web which is interconnected to many other parts of the brain. Thus whatever is connected to it when triggered will manifest pain to one's consciousness or subconsciousness.

Studies then...prove it. Show me how a broken heart or beaten ego is linked directly to this circuit alone without making any assumptions.

As I had stated you are ignorant of this thus need to research on this subject.

Read this;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_heart#Physiology

• The intense pain of a broken heart is believed to be part of the survival instinct. The "social-attachment system" uses the "pain system" to encourage humans to maintain their close social relationships by causing pain when those relationships are lost.

"Believed to be a part"....we are not talking about beliefs because beliefs can be transcendental illusions.

I said scientific proof...what you dont understand English now?

Stop stuttering around...you come off as an animal that is twitching before it dies....stop being boring and entertain all of us with your clever wording....

ROFL!!!!!!

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:08 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:02 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:53 am
Say,, if you are living along the East coast of Japan and there is a warning of a strong tsunami upon a 9.5 richter scale earthquake.
Because the warning is based on scientific knowledge, you will then ignore the warnings because to you scientific theories are fallacious?

What about the tornado warnings where the tornado never came? Or the warning of "danger ahead possible falling rocks" when no rocks fall.

You can strap a warning to anything.....often times bad science and reasoning create warnings as well.

You are really lost and is deflecting.
This is why I believe you are autistic and do not have a "theory of mind" and thus not be able to synchronize with the thoughts of others.

Note, it is your principle.
Thus you will never ever agree with whatever warning or anything that is grounded in Science. Can you confirm this instead of deflecting?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:12 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:06 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 5:56 am
As I had stated you are ignorant of this thus need to research on this subject.

Read this;
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Broken_heart#Physiology

• The intense pain of a broken heart is believed to be part of the survival instinct. The "social-attachment system" uses the "pain system" to encourage humans to maintain their close social relationships by causing pain when those relationships are lost.

"Believed to be a part"....we are not talking about beliefs because beliefs can be transcendental illusions.

I said scientific proof...what you dont understand English now?

Stop stuttering around...you come off as an animal that is twitching before it dies....stop being boring and entertain all of us with your clever wording....

ROFL!!!!!!

Another example of ignorance.

Note scientific knowledge is JTB i.e. justified true beliefs.
Scientific theories as objective are based on the consensus of beliefs that are justified scientifically.

Yes, beliefs can be transcendental illusions, but in this case we are talking of Justified True Beliefs which are real.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:13 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:08 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:02 am

What about the tornado warnings where the tornado never came? Or the warning of "danger ahead possible falling rocks" when no rocks fall.

You can strap a warning to anything.....often times bad science and reasoning create warnings as well.

You are really lost and is deflecting.
This is why I believe you are autistic and do not have a "theory of mind" and thus not be able to synchronize with the thoughts of others.

Note, it is your principle.
Thus you will never ever agree with whatever warning or anything that is grounded in Science. Can you confirm this instead of deflecting?

No what I am saying is that your "warnings" are not really a valid means of measurement...hell science warns us of asteroid all the time, weather men of tornadoes, etc.. Science defines...that is it. It is neither right nor wrong. The best is can do is probabilities but as probabilities it only observes fractal states of reality...never absolute truth.

If God probably does not exist, then eventually God will exist.

Rofl...keep it coming Captain Truth and Justice...please save us all with your deep wisdom and wiki quotes....

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:15 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:12 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:06 am
"Believed to be a part"....we are not talking about beliefs because beliefs can be transcendental illusions.

I said scientific proof...what you dont understand English now?

Stop stuttering around...you come off as an animal that is twitching before it dies....stop being boring and entertain all of us with your clever wording....

ROFL!!!!!!

Another example of ignorance.

Note scientific knowledge is JTB i.e. justified true beliefs.
Scientific theories as objective are based on the consensus of beliefs that are justified scientifically.

Yes, beliefs can be transcendental illusions, but in this case we are talking of Justified True Beliefs which are real.

Justified true beliefs are just recursive beliefs as the justification of the belief is composed of subsidiary beliefs...right down to believing one's senses....

(Mic drop)...


Try again....and stop screwing around...I want to be entertained. And dont try repeating my comebacks...it makes you seem desperate.

Wait you know what, just copy them...you need them...

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:27 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:13 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:08 am
You are really lost and is deflecting.
This is why I believe you are autistic and do not have a "theory of mind" and thus not be able to synchronize with the thoughts of others.

Note, it is your principle.
Thus you will never ever agree with whatever warning or anything that is grounded in Science. Can you confirm this instead of deflecting?

No what I am saying is that your "warnings" are not really a valid means of measurement...hell science warns us of asteroid all the time, weather men of tornadoes, etc.. Science defines...that is it. It is neither right nor wrong. The best is can do is probabilities but as probabilities it only observes fractal states of reality...never absolute truth.

If God probably does not exist, then eventually God will exist.

Rofl...keep it coming Captain Truth and Justice...please save us all with your deep wisdom and wiki quotes....

Don't deflect.
You insist Science is fallacious thus cannot be trusted.

Answer my original question;

Say,, if you are living along the East coast of Japan and there is a warning of a strong tsunami upon a 9.5 richter scale earthquake.
Because the warning is based on scientific knowledge, you will then ignore the warnings because to you scientific theories are fallacious?
Yes or No?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:31 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:15 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 14, 2019 6:12 am
Another example of ignorance.

Note scientific knowledge is JTB i.e. justified true beliefs.
Scientific theories as objective are based on the consensus of beliefs that are justified scientifically.

Yes, beliefs can be transcendental illusions, but in this case we are talking of Justified True Beliefs which are real.

Justified true beliefs are just recursive beliefs as the justification of the belief is composed of subsidiary beliefs...right down to believing one's senses....

(Mic drop)...


Try again....and stop screwing around...I want to be entertained. And dont try repeating my comebacks...it makes you seem desperate.

Wait you know what, just copy them...you need them...

You are deflecting again.

You stated belief could be transcendental illusions.
I stated that belief is Justified True Belief i.e. scientific thus not illusions.
If JTBs are grounded on the senses, then, that can be empirically verified which is what scientific theories are.