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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 8:01 am Being aware of being aware is what God is.

God is an immanent transcendant God.
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surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 7:12 am

Eodnhoj wrote:
The God would have to be both physical and metaphysical - one or the other is a lack of omnipresence

There is no requirement for God to be metaphysical or omnipresent - that is simply how human beings choose to describe him
God could just be a physical being with superhuman strength and intelligence with zero metaphysical or omipresent capability

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:56 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:41 pm If god is defined by people, by their thoughts and experiences, then what more is there to say?

Of God is defined by people, and people are images (variations) of God, then people defining God is God defining himself within time and space.

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:41 pm If god is defined by people, by their thoughts and experiences, then what more is there to say?

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:13 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:56 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 4:41 pm If god is defined by people, by their thoughts and experiences, then what more is there to say?

Of God is defined by people, and people are images (variations) of God, then people defining God is God defining himself within time and space.

What you say can be restated.

If God is defined by people, and if people are variations of God, then variations of God define God.

Seems like a trivial definition at best and a recursive definition at the least.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:38 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:13 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 5:56 pm

Of God is defined by people, and people are images (variations) of God, then people defining God is God defining himself within time and space.

What you say can be restated.

If God is defined by people, and if people are variations of God, then variations of God define God.

Seems like a trivial definition at best and a recursive definition at the least.

Yes, it can be restated in a variety of ways...and yes the definition is trivial...and so is the next one and the next one...what is not trivial is that the definition is recursive and recursion is definition.

That we know just by "knowing".


Thus God is self reflective by nature.

jayjacobus wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 6:13 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:38 pm

commonsense wrote: ↑Sat Oct 12, 2019 9:13 pm

What you say can be restated.

If God is defined by people, and if people are variations of God, then variations of God define God.

Seems like a trivial definition at best and a recursive definition at the least.

Yes, it can be restated in a variety of ways...and yes the definition is trivial...and so is the next one and the next one...what is not trivial is that the definition is recursive and recursion is definition.

That we know just by "knowing".


Thus God is self reflective by nature.

There are too many definitions. God goes from 000 to holy, holy, holy and the interpretations of the ancient texts approach infinite.

God is to be experienced but once God is experienced, the experience will be from an unseen source. Is the source the human mind or an external source of a kind (what kind?)

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:43 am Argument:

1. All in All as All

2. the particulate as a general and the general as a particulate,

3. pure being yet intrinsically empty as beyond being,

4. unnecessary necessity existing as necessity veiled within the "no-thingness" of the faculties of reason, intuition and action,

5. uncaused cause,

6. self assuming and assumed as the assumption of assumptions,

7. the curvature of space as an omnipresent contextual loop as infinitely repeated void birthing form in all variety through perpetual generation,

8. stillness in the detachment of extremes embodied within pure focus under meditative discipline

9. The order the good and the chaos of the wicked

10. Spontaneous order

11. Infinite mercy through the ruthlessness of ruthlessness

12. The Good in which no evil is present for all darkness is as light.

13. The freedom of the just and the condemnation of the unjust favoring neither the good nor evil man.

14. Awareness of all thought and its simplicity, underlying all complexity

15. Progressive reciprocation as reciprocal progression

16. That which loves love and hates hatred embodying self sacrifice as its identity

17. The imagination of images, yet no image and without illusion

18. The trifold one expressed fourfold,

19. Both defined and undefined as the assumption of paradox projecting paradox, the measurement of paradoxes yet rational and beyond reason.

20. The underlying variable of all variables

21. Passionless passion, branching which gives perpetual fruits yet holds no fruit.

22. The mythos as the grounds for logic, the archetypal tree of analysis which underlies the mythos.

23. Synthetic in nature expressed by a cross and sphere, yet relative to context as absolute.

Discuss.

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:23 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:43 am Argument:

1. All in All as All

2. the particulate as a general and the general as a particulate,

3. pure being yet intrinsically empty as beyond being,

4. unnecessary necessity existing as necessity veiled within the "no-thingness" of the faculties of reason, intuition and action,

5. uncaused cause,

6. self assuming and assumed as the assumption of assumptions,

7. the curvature of space as an omnipresent contextual loop as infinitely repeated void birthing form in all variety through perpetual generation,

8. stillness in the detachment of extremes embodied within pure focus under meditative discipline

9. The order the good and the chaos of the wicked

10. Spontaneous order

11. Infinite mercy through the ruthlessness of ruthlessness

12. The Good in which no evil is present for all darkness is as light.

13. The freedom of the just and the condemnation of the unjust favoring neither the good nor evil man.

14. Awareness of all thought and its simplicity, underlying all complexity

15. Progressive reciprocation as reciprocal progression

16. That which loves love and hates hatred embodying self sacrifice as its identity

17. The imagination of images, yet no image and without illusion

18. The trifold one expressed fourfold,

19. Both defined and undefined as the assumption of paradox projecting paradox, the measurement of paradoxes yet rational and beyond reason.

20. The underlying variable of all variables

21. Passionless passion, branching which gives perpetual fruits yet holds no fruit.

22. The mythos as the grounds for logic, the archetypal tree of analysis which underlies the mythos.

23. Synthetic in nature expressed by a cross and sphere, yet relative to context as absolute.

Discuss.

There is no God, creator. That is because God becomes subject to time if there was a moment at which only God exists and there was also a moment at which God and the creation exist. Time itself is the subject of creation, therefore, we are dealing with a dilemma that says God needs time to create time.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:33 pm

If God is not above time and subject to time than God is no omnipresent. Considering time is tautological in nature, as in one thing is expressed many ways (stone, people, even words), then time is circular and as circular subject to a form beyond itself. This circularity is reflected through an infinite variety of loops as a reflection of one loop as looping is constant.

The ancient philosophers observed this in nature and within man's up and down moods, more modern philosophers, specifically wittgenstein, observed this in the tautological nature of symbols (one symbol manifests into a variation of that symbol).

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:33 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:23 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Oct 09, 2019 4:43 am Argument:

1. All in All as All

2. the particulate as a general and the general as a particulate,

3. pure being yet intrinsically empty as beyond being,

4. unnecessary necessity existing as necessity veiled within the "no-thingness" of the faculties of reason, intuition and action,

5. uncaused cause,

6. self assuming and assumed as the assumption of assumptions,

7. the curvature of space as an omnipresent contextual loop as infinitely repeated void birthing form in all variety through perpetual generation,

8. stillness in the detachment of extremes embodied within pure focus under meditative discipline

9. The order the good and the chaos of the wicked

10. Spontaneous order

11. Infinite mercy through the ruthlessness of ruthlessness

12. The Good in which no evil is present for all darkness is as light.

13. The freedom of the just and the condemnation of the unjust favoring neither the good nor evil man.

14. Awareness of all thought and its simplicity, underlying all complexity

15. Progressive reciprocation as reciprocal progression

16. That which loves love and hates hatred embodying self sacrifice as its identity

17. The imagination of images, yet no image and without illusion

18. The trifold one expressed fourfold,

19. Both defined and undefined as the assumption of paradox projecting paradox, the measurement of paradoxes yet rational and beyond reason.

20. The underlying variable of all variables

21. Passionless passion, branching which gives perpetual fruits yet holds no fruit.

22. The mythos as the grounds for logic, the archetypal tree of analysis which underlies the mythos.

23. Synthetic in nature expressed by a cross and sphere, yet relative to context as absolute.

Discuss.

There is no God, creator. That is because God becomes subject to time if there was a moment at which only God exists and there was also a moment at which God and the creation exist. Time itself is the subject of creation, therefore, we are dealing with a dilemma that says God needs time to create time.

If God is not above time and subject to time than God is no omnipresent. Considering time is tautological in nature, as in one thing is expressed many ways (stone, people, even words), then time is circular and as circular subject to a form beyond itself. This circularity is reflected through an infinite variety of loops as a reflection of one loop as looping is constant.

The ancient philosophers observed this in nature and within man's up and down moods, more modern philosophers, specifically wittgenstein, observed this in the tautological nature of symbols (one symbol manifests into a variation of that symbol).

jayjacobus wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 9:22 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:33 pm

If God is not above time and subject to time than God is no omnipresent. Considering time is tautological in nature, as in one thing is expressed many ways (stone, people, even words), then time is circular and as circular subject to a form beyond itself. This circularity is reflected through an infinite variety of loops as a reflection of one loop as looping is constant.

The ancient philosophers observed this in nature and within man's up and down moods, more modern philosophers, specifically wittgenstein, observed this in the tautological nature of symbols (one symbol manifests into a variation of that symbol).

Tautological in explanations maybe but time seems to have different explanations that are often contradictory and wrong.

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:23 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:33 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:23 pm
There is no God, creator. That is because God becomes subject to time if there was a moment at which only God exists and there was also a moment at which God and the creation exist. Time itself is the subject of creation, therefore, we are dealing with a dilemma that says God needs time to create time.

If God is not above time and subject to time than God is no omnipresent. Considering time is tautological in nature, as in one thing is expressed many ways (stone, people, even words), then time is circular and as circular subject to a form beyond itself. This circularity is reflected through an infinite variety of loops as a reflection of one loop as looping is constant.

The ancient philosophers observed this in nature and within man's up and down moods, more modern philosophers, specifically wittgenstein, observed this in the tautological nature of symbols (one symbol manifests into a variation of that symbol).

Yes, God is not omnipresent too. The very definition of God, the agent that brings something out of nothing, brings subjectivity over time.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:34 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:23 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Thu Oct 17, 2019 9:33 pm

If God is not above time and subject to time than God is no omnipresent. Considering time is tautological in nature, as in one thing is expressed many ways (stone, people, even words), then time is circular and as circular subject to a form beyond itself. This circularity is reflected through an infinite variety of loops as a reflection of one loop as looping is constant.

The ancient philosophers observed this in nature and within man's up and down moods, more modern philosophers, specifically wittgenstein, observed this in the tautological nature of symbols (one symbol manifests into a variation of that symbol).

Yes, God is not omnipresent too. The very definition of God, the agent that brings something out of nothing, brings subjectivity over time.

Really, void negating itself into being is only subjective?

In physics a vacuum negates itself into randomly appearing particles....being does come from nothing.

bahman wrote: ↑Sat Oct 19, 2019 3:20 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 6:34 pm

bahman wrote: ↑Fri Oct 18, 2019 4:23 pm
Yes, God is not omnipresent too. The very definition of God, the agent that brings something out of nothing, brings subjectivity over time.

Really, void negating itself into being is only subjective?

In physics a vacuum negates itself into randomly appearing particles....being does come from nothing.

Void negating itself into something is objective. It is a phenomenon that occurs constantly.