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Eodnhoj7 wrote:What dogma? I am just applying fallacies to everything including fallacies.

Your metaphysical and numerology dogma about 'nothingness' and '0'.

Eodnhoj7 wrote:So aristotelian identity laws are not universal then? P=P and P/=P do not apply all the time?

I told you (apart from the latter one being wrong) these do not exist in Propositional Logic. If you mean P->P, ¬(P & ¬P) or ¬P v P if you prefer then these are tautologies so are necessarily true so yes they apply for all time.

I guess that P=P is from Mathematics or FOL + Equality but it not necessary for PL and if it means the same variable then it will be always true.

P/=P is a contradiction and so always false.

Eodnhoj7 wrote:You do understand auto-didacts is strictly a beleived label...write?

My apologies, are you saying you've had an education? If so I believe you have the right to a refund or at least return to junior school to relearn English.

I understand that it is a term to describe those who self-study a subject or subjects rather than through a formal academic route.

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:24 am There is no '=' in Propositional Logic and there is no need for it.

It's there. It's implicit, not explicit. Either way it's an argument about notation, not utility.

Implicit version:
P1: P → Q
P2: P
C: Q

Explicit version:
P1: if P = T then Q = True
P2: P = T
C: Q = T

Thereafter follows a never-ending argument whether P2 (P = T) is assumed or asserted. The Entscheidungsproblem.

Choice.

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:00 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:What dogma? I am just applying fallacies to everything including fallacies.

Your metaphysical and numerology dogma about 'nothingness' and '0'.

What numerology dogma, I am observing all is space and numbers are spatial constructs and behave the same way....the same applies for language, emotions, etc. The only dogma is that Nothingness negates itself as one cannot see nothing except through a state of multiplicity.

You do understand space can have unlimited axioms?

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:08 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:So aristotelian identity laws are not universal then? P=P and P/=P do not apply all the time?

I told you (apart from the latter one being wrong) these do not exist in Propositional Logic. If you mean P->P, ¬(P & ¬P) or ¬P v P if you prefer then these are tautologies so are necessarily true so yes they apply for all time.

I guess that P=P is from Mathematics or FOL + Equality but it not necessary for PL and if it means the same variable then it will be always true.

P/=P is a contradiction and so always false.

P/=-P...my bad.

So P does not have any identity properties then?
P-->P is not similar to or equal to P=P?

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:11 pm

Eodnhoj7 wrote:You do understand auto-didacts is strictly a beleived label...write?

My apologies, are you saying you've had an education? If so I believe you have the right to a refund or at least return to junior school to relearn English.

I understand that it is a term to describe those who self-study a subject or subjects rather than through a formal academic route.

Thanks for the compliment...

So if I am told to read and study x,y,z and memorize it...is that self-taught? Does the university promote this? Or is university strictly less of a formality but rather a group of people who get together and say: "We will interpret reality this way because it is what we assumed since childhood, we will have the younger generations repeat our patterns so we will not die."



You mean that formal academic route which is solving your country's problems? ROFL!

You mean the one that puts kids through metal detectors and young men who can't sit still on pills? ROFL

You mean the university system that expects you too pay tens of thousands of dollars, to memorize material you barely use in the real world, while expecting you to get straight A's just so you can get a lottery ticket for the job market? ROFL.


When you say university I see death, decay and exploitation.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 5:18 pm

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Thu Oct 10, 2019 2:24 am There is no '=' in Propositional Logic and there is no need for it.

It's there. It's implicit, not explicit. Either way it's an argument about notation, not utility.

Implicit version:
P1: P → Q
P2: P
C: Q

Explicit version:
P1: if P = T then Q = True
P2: P = T
C: Q = T

Thereafter follows a never-ending argument whether P2 (P = T) is assumed or asserted. The Entscheidungsproblem.

Choice.

Just seems to be the difference between syntax and semantics?

I'd have thought the truth assignment to P2 to be an empirical issue, i.e. is the instantiation of P true or not?

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Thanks for the compliment...

Where?

So if I am told to read and study x,y,z and memorize it...is that self-taught? Does the university promote this? Or is university strictly less of a formality but rather a group of people who get together and say: "We will interpret reality this way because it is what we assumed since childhood, we will have the younger generations repeat our patterns so we will not die." ...

Then why did you apply?

You mean that formal academic route which is solving your country's problems? ROFL!

You mean the one that puts kids through metal detectors and young men who can't sit still on pills? ROFL

You mean the university system that expects you too pay tens of thousands of dollars, to memorize material you barely use in the real world, while expecting you to get straight A's just so you can get a lottery ticket for the job market? ROFL.


When you say university I see death, decay and exploitation.

What are you babbling on about now? But you seem very bitter that they didn't let you in.

Eodnhoj7 wrote: What numerology dogma, I am observing all is space and numbers are spatial constructs and behave the same way....the same applies for language, emotions, etc. The only dogma is that Nothingness negates itself as one cannot see nothing except through a state of multiplicity.

You do understand space can have unlimited axioms?

What do you mean by 'space'?

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:22 am Just seems to be the difference between syntax and semantics?

If different syntax implies different semantics, then by definition you are subscribed to a denotational view of semantics.

I am subscribed to operational semantics (a.k.a consequentialism). The two different denotations can be re-written while preserving the truth-tables they produce. They are confluent.

Given the same premises (P, P= True) You arrive at the conclusion that (Q, Q = True).

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:22 am I'd have thought the truth assignment to P2 to be an empirical issue, i.e. is the instantiation of P true or not?

P1 is also an empirical issue. The implication of Q being true upon P being true is causality.

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:24 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote:
Thanks for the compliment...

Where?

So if I am told to read and study x,y,z and memorize it...is that self-taught? Does the university promote this? Or is university strictly less of a formality but rather a group of people who get together and say: "We will interpret reality this way because it is what we assumed since childhood, we will have the younger generations repeat our patterns so we will not die." ...

Then why did you apply?

You mean that formal academic route which is solving your country's problems? ROFL!

You mean the one that puts kids through metal detectors and young men who can't sit still on pills? ROFL

You mean the university system that expects you too pay tens of thousands of dollars, to memorize material you barely use in the real world, while expecting you to get straight A's just so you can get a lottery ticket for the job market? ROFL.


When you say university I see death, decay and exploitation.

What are you babbling on about now? But you seem very bitter that they didn't let you in.

So tell me, this academic training you had...is it stopping shariah law?


Is propositional logic subject to aristotelian identity properties or not?

Arising_uk wrote: ↑Fri Oct 11, 2019 10:25 am

Eodnhoj7 wrote: What numerology dogma, I am observing all is space and numbers are spatial constructs and behave the same way....the same applies for language, emotions, etc. The only dogma is that Nothingness negates itself as one cannot see nothing except through a state of multiplicity.

You do understand space can have unlimited axioms?

What do you mean by 'space'?

See all phenomena as "empty contextual loops" thread.

Eodnhoj7 wrote:So tell me, this academic training you had...is it stopping shariah law?

What are you waffling about?

If anyone tries to impose Sharia law on a UK citizen against their wishes they'd be prosecuted under UK law. If you mean that Muslims in the UK obey their Sharia 'courts' then like the Jews and their Beth Din 'courts' that is up to them. However, I do think that it's about time that the law was changed to enforce civil registration for Islamic and Jewish marriages, as at present if they don't register and only have a religious marriage according to their customs they are not actually considered married under UK law and the women lose their civil rights with respect to divorce rights, etc.

Is propositional logic subject to aristotelian identity properties or not?

Depends what you mean? If you mean does '=' exist as an operator in PL then no but if you mean does 'P is P' exist then yes, it's the Law of Identity and is (P->P) or more strictly ((P->P)<->(P<-P)).

Eodnhoj7 wrote: See all phenomena as "empty contextual loops" thread.

If it's the same as the type of gobbledygook you've posted here then I'll pass thanks.