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Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:51 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:50 am To me, it appears that you start a thread by stating how some things can be done, but you completely disregard and ignore those things yourself, and just back to your usual and the old slow, complicated, and hard ways of doing things.

Well, tell us then. What's the easy way to solve hunger and poverty?

STOP being greedy, share with and feed each other.

See absolutely SIMPLE and EASY.

Once 'you' STOP being 'greedy', then about half of ALL of the so called "problems" in Life are resolved.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:00 am STOP being greedy, share with and feed each other.

See absolutely SIMPLE and EASY.

Why do you believe that stopping 8 billion people on Earth from being greedy is "simple" and "easy" ?

After all, this is not a new idea. People have been saying "stop being greedy and share with each other" for thousands of years - exactly like you are doing now. So how come, after all this time humans are still greedy, and poverty still exists?

Surely, if it was that simple we wouldn't have eradicated poverty by now?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:58 am Are you an idiot?

Have you ever read where I have said: I do NOT believe any thing?

If no, then now you have.
If yes, then WHY would you make such a STUPID comment as, "You believe this"?

No. I am not. You should be more charitable with your words.

Why don't you try and ask some clarifying questions to try and understand what the word "belief" means to most humans?

If you had bothered to ask me some clarifying questions it would've become CLEAR to you that I don't believe that you don't believe anything.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:04 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:00 am STOP being greedy, share with and feed each other.

See absolutely SIMPLE and EASY.

Why do you believe that stopping 8 billion people on Earth from being greedy is "simple" and "easy" ?

You MUST BE an idiot. I do NOT believe any thing. Even AFTER I just tell you in written words, you either can NOT see it, you saw it but chose to just ignore it, or you want to do some thing else.

Also, it is NOT about stopping any one else from doing any thing. It is about 'you' wanting to STOP being the cause of hunger and poverty.

If you WANT to continue being greedy and cause the poverty, hunger, and death of human beings, then keep going as you are now.

KNOWING HOW to stop ALL of 'you', human beings, from wanting to be greedy, which in turn will make 'you' ALL WANT to STOP yourself from being greedy, is HOW I KNOW stopping about eight billion human beings from being greedy IS VERY simple and just as easy.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:11 am You MUST BE an idiot.

Why do you believe that?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:11 am Also, it is NOT about stopping any one else from doing any thing. It is about 'you' wanting to STOP being the cause of hunger and poverty.

Why would you allude that I don't want to stop hunger and poverty, when I told you that I do?

Why do you believe I am the cause of cause of hunger and poverty, and how do I stop being the cause?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:10 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 10:58 am Are you an idiot?

Have you ever read where I have said: I do NOT believe any thing?

If no, then now you have.
If yes, then WHY would you make such a STUPID comment as, "You believe this"?

No. I am not.

If you say so.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:10 amYou should be more charitable with your words.

I am JUST asking YOU a clarifying question, so WHY "should" I do any thing else?

Also, how does one be "more charitable" when just asking a clarifying question asked for clarity?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:10 amWhy don't you try and ask some clarifying questions to try and understand what the word "belief" means to me?

Because you have NOT said that you KNOW how to solve ALL problems. So, at the moment, I really do NOT care what you are saying.

If you had that you actually KNOW some thing, then I would want to learn and KNOW absolutely EVERY thing you say and mean.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:10 amIf you had bothered to ask me some clarifying questions it would've become CLEAR to you that I don't believe that you don't believe anything.

That is and WAS ALREADY CLEARLY VERY OBVIOUS.

I just WANTED you to say it.

Now that you have said it, then now I can once again make it clear; That when you BELIEVE some thing, then you are NOT open to any thing otherwise.

And, this can be CLEARLY seen and verified within the writings in the forum in the past and as well as very soon to come.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:19 am Because you have NOT said that you KNOW how to solve ALL problems. So, at the moment, I really do NOT care what you are saying.

Nobody asked you to solve all problems. I am only asking you to solve hunger and poverty.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:19 am Now that you have said it, then now I can once again make it clear; That when you BELIEVE some thing, then you are NOT open to any thing otherwise.

Apologies, I mis-spoke. Let me correct myself. I don't believe that you have beliefs - I know that you have beliefs, so I'll cut you a deal. When you admit to having beliefs, I will stop saying it.

The choice is yours.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:15 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:11 am Also, it is NOT about stopping any one else from doing any thing. It is about 'you' wanting to STOP being the cause of hunger and poverty.

Why would you allude that I don't want to stop hunger and poverty, when I told you that I do?

WHEN did you tell me that you do want to stop hunger and poverty?

A link would be much appreciated.

Also, I NEVER alluded to that you do not want to stop hunger and poverty. But what I did allude to is that 'you' are NOT even fully aware that 'you' are the CAUSE of hunger and poverty.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:15 amWhy do you believe I am the cause of cause of hunger and poverty, and how do I stop being the cause?

I do NOT believe that you are the cause.

I KNOW 'you' are the cause.

Who else besides 'you', adult human beings, could be the cause of hunger and poverty?

How 'you' start to STOP being the cause of hunger and poverty is first by admitting that you ARE the cause of hunger and poverty.

You can not stop doing some thing if you do NOT even admit that you are doing it.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:24 am WHEN did you tell me that you do want to stop hunger and poverty?

Why did I have to tell you this? It is very uncharitable of you to assume that I don't want to stop hunger and poverty.

If you want to stop poverty and hunger, why would you even believe that I don't?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:24 am Also, I NEVER alluded to that you do not want to stop hunger and poverty. But what I did allude to is that 'you' are NOT even fully aware that 'you' are the CAUSE of hunger and poverty.

I don't see how this is possible. Poverty and hunger existed thousands of years before I was born. How can I be the cause of something that happened before I was even born? It seems you believe that I am guilty by association.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:24 am I do NOT believe that you are the cause.

I KNOW 'you' are the cause.

Again. This is not very charitable. If I am the cause, are you not the cause also?

You too are a human. If humans are the cause of hunger, and you are human - then you are the cause of hunger

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:24 am Who else besides 'you', adult human beings, could be the cause of hunger and poverty?

The universe is the cause? We were born hungry and poor. If we weren't hungry we wouldn't have to hunt&gather.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:24 am You can not stop doing some thing if you do NOT even admit that you are doing it.

Very good! You are learning.

How can you stop having any beliefs if you do NOT even admit that you have any.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:20 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:19 am Because you have NOT said that you KNOW how to solve ALL problems. So, at the moment, I really do NOT care what you are saying.

Nobody asked you to solve all problems.

Well that is one huge 'attempt' at deflection, but once again not completely successful.

What you said here is NOTHING what I talked about.

You asked me a clarifying question:
Why don't you try and ask some clarifying questions to try and understand what the word "belief" means to me?

So, I just ANSWERED your clarifying question. I NEVER said any thing like you have proposed I have here.

Can you explain WHY you went so far off track?

Maybe IF you re-read it again, it will help you to understand better.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:20 amI am only asking you to solve hunger and poverty.

Which is what I was discussing.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:20 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:19 am Now that you have said it, then now I can once again make it clear; That when you BELIEVE some thing, then you are NOT open to any thing otherwise.

Apologies, I mis-spoke. Let me correct myself. I don't believe that you have beliefs - I know that you have beliefs, so I'll cut you a deal. When you admit to having beliefs, I will stop saying it.

Keep saying it for as long as you like.

I have already asked IF you have read my words already.

In case you forget - I do NOT believe any thing.

Why do you find it so hard to accept and acknowledge this fact?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:20 amThe choice is yours.

I made my choice.

Keep saying it.

Also, HOW do you KNOW that I have 'beliefs'?

Firstly you will have to write down what you BELIEVE MY belief is exactly, and then you will have to explain HOW you KNOW that that is MY belief and what I BELIEVE is true.

Take as long as you want.

Hitherto you have yet to been able to do this. Unless of course you can provide a link to ANY of the discussions we have had under any of the different names where you have done this.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:38 am

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:24 am You can not stop doing some thing if you do NOT even admit that you are doing it.

Very good! You are learning.

How can you stop having any beliefs if you don't even admit that you have any?

Because AFTER I admitted that I had beliefs and believed things previously, then that is when I STOPPED having beliefs and believing things.

See, once again, how VERY simple and easy EVERY thing in Life is indeed.

You just have to learn HOW to be completely Honest first.

Also, your "attempt" at condescending, once again, did NOT work, once again.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:38 am I made my choice.

Keep saying it.

Very good. It's settled. We can move on from the knowledge/belief nonsense.

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:41 am You just have to learn HOW to be completely Honest first.

What made you believe that I don't already know HOW to be completely honest?

Age wrote: ↑Sat Sep 21, 2019 11:41 am Also, your "attempt" at condescending, once again, did NOT work, once again.

What made you believe that I was being condescending?