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Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:58 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:52 am Because it depends on how PC the scientist is who is interpreting the information.

I guess you don't understand how statistical analysis works, or how science identifies errors in prior work.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 7:52 am So now you are throwing around the 'r' word. How very unexpected.
I'm 'racist'. I absolutely loathe PC fuckturds. I wonder what gene is responsible for those wankers?

I could have thrown any word around. Maybe your pea-brain can't comprehend it?

If all human traits are genetic and reducible to a detectable gene, then we can solve all social problem via eugenics.

Racism-gene, Murder-gene, Thief-gene, Lazy-stoner-low-life-gene, Narcissism-gene, PC-gene, PC-loathing-gene, Sexual-orientation-gene, Pea-brain-gene, Low-IQ-gene - if we just select out all those undesirable genes, Utopia is right around the corner!

Scientific facts don't give a damn about politics. Eugenics is politics.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:08 am Scientific facts don't give a damn about politics. Eugenics is politics.

High-dimensional statistics is not politics.

Imagine spending decades on eugenic, political and cultural assault against the PC-gene, only to find out that the PC-twits stayed behind.

Nothing like an awkward miscalculation, to dampen your genocidal spirits, eh?

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:11 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:08 am Scientific facts don't give a damn about politics. Eugenics is politics.

High-dimensional statistics is not politics.

Imagine spending decades on eugenic, political and cultural assault against the PC-gene, only to find out that the PC-twits stayed behind.

Nothing like an awkward miscalculation, to dampen your genocidal spirits, eh?

What on earth is that gibberish supposed to mean???

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 8:38 am What on earth is that gibberish supposed to mean???

Where do you want me to start explaining it to you? At 1+1=2, or at probability theory?

It does not matter how much you try to favour genes as a determinant of human identity, behaviour, or disposition it is an indelible fact that each baby's brain is more like a tabula rasa than just about anything you can think of.
This means that nurture and environment trump genetic determinism.
Take two twins. Bring up one as a slave in a medieval setting, worked from a early age, and fed the minimum. The other you bring up with a modern family, with good education health care, and a loving family.
Now use your imagination.
We share 95% of our genes with great apes, and 40% with bananas, and human variation is around 2% max
There are only about 35,000 genes. So all our difference between individuals can be boiled down to 700 genes. These have to account for all the minor differences in stature, skin, hair and eye colour colour, shape of nose, and the rest of the human body.
What is left for personality and identity?
A handful of genes account for all the differences between so called "races". Yet if a black person and a white person take the same art class at the same school, they share much more than someone else who chose to drop art.
Genes are a massive red herring. Yet that has no stopped the shill-using "Ancestry DNA" sellers who spew their racist mythology, and laugh all the way to the bank.

↑ So many holes I don't even know where to begin so I won't bother. You can't reason with a fanatic.

Now anyone who 'believes' in DNA is a 'racist' Tell that to the courts.
What motivates these twats?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:35 am Now anyone who 'believes' in DNA is a 'racist' Tell that to the courts.

Well, actually - we are busy telling them. Most of 'forensic science' is astrology.
http://dnapolicyinitiative.org/police-u ... and-fraud/
https://theconversation.com/lords-inqui ... -it-116456

Besides, who is it that "does not believe in DNA" exactly?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:35 am You can't reason with a fanatic.

You can't reason with a dogmatist either. Two different words - same kind of idiotic mindset.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:41 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:35 am Now anyone who 'believes' in DNA is a 'racist' Tell that to the courts.

Well, actually - we are busy telling them. Most of forensic science is astrology.
http://dnapolicyinitiative.org/police-u ... and-fraud/

Besides, who is it that "does not believe in DNA" exactly?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:35 am You can't reason with a fanatic.

You can't reason with a dogmatist either. Two different words - same kind of idiotic mindset.

The PC wankjob fraternity that 'groupthinks' that banging on about there being 'no such thing as race' means humanity will become one big, homogenous love-fest of group hugging. Never been much of a hugger myself. Shame the morons can't even define what it is they say 'doesn't exist'. They get themselves tied into all kinds of inconvenient knots with the claims they make.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:46 am The PC wankjob fraternity that 'groupthinks' that banging on about there being 'no such thing as race' means humanity will become one big, homogenous love-fest of group hugging. Never been much of a hugger myself. Shame the morons can't even define what it is they say 'doesn't exist'. They get themselves tied into all kinds of inconvenient knots with the claims they make.

Or we can totally go the other way on genetic distance ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation_index ) and say that there are 8 billion races on the planet. One for each unique DNA-pattern!

I get a race.
You get a race.
Everybody gets a race!
And we are all inter-racially married.

We are all, individual snowflakes, with our own individual races!

And then we all get to be racists! Because I fucking hate the race of John Smith (who lives next door to me).

Does that sum up your ridiculous position yet, or are you ready to quantify 'race' in Mathematics?

Or perhaps you will have a moment of self-reflection and awakening (highly doubtful) where you figure out that you are the "PC wankjob groupthink fraternity" that you so deeply despise.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:06 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 10:46 am The PC wankjob fraternity that 'groupthinks' that banging on about there being 'no such thing as race' means humanity will become one big, homogenous love-fest of group hugging. Never been much of a hugger myself. Shame the morons can't even define what it is they say 'doesn't exist'. They get themselves tied into all kinds of inconvenient knots with the claims they make.

Or we can totally go the other way on genetic distance ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fixation_index ) and say that there are 8 billion races on the planet. One for each unique DNA-pattern!

I get a race.
You get a race.
Everybody gets a race!
And we are all inter-racially married.

We are all, individual snowflakes, with our own individual races!

And then we all get to be racists! Because I fucking hate the race of John Smith (who lives next door to me).

Does that sum up your ridiculous position yet, or are you ready to quantify 'race' in Mathematics?

Or perhaps you will have a moment of self-reflection and awakening (highly doubtful) where you figure out that you are the "PC wankjob groupthink fraternity".

I'm not 'quantifying' anything. That's what you and your ilk do.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:17 am I'm not 'quantifying' anything. That's what you and your ilk do.

Isn't that ironic? You can't quantify anything, yet somehow you know precisely who and what the "PC wankjob crowd" are.

For somebody who hates groupthink you sure love group identities.

Very incognito-collectivist of you.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:21 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:17 am I'm not 'quantifying' anything. That's what you and your ilk do.

Isn't that ironic? You can't quantify anything, yet somehow you know precisely who and what the "PC wankjob crowd" are.

For somebody who hates groupthink you sure love group identities.

Not sure what you are giggling at (unless you feel that being shown up as a hypocrite is funny). Humans dislike each other for many reasons, and skin colour alone would make up only a minuscule percentage of them. A far bigger chunk is cultural differences. You are the idiots who call people 'racists' when they criticise muslims for example. I doubt if 'muslim' is going to show up in DNA. Heck, even different christian denominations dislike each other, as do muslim ones to an even greater degree. And me? I dislike all religious nuts equally. If that makes me a 'racist' then in the eloquent way Henry puts it: meh.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:30 am Not sure what you are giggling at (unless you feel that being shown up as a hypocrite is funny).

Shown up? I admit it proudly. Hypocrisy is human. I am human.

Your lack of self-awareness is disturbing.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:30 am Humans dislike each other for many reasons, and skin colour alone would make up only a minute percentage of it. A far bigger part of it would be cultural differences. You are the idiots who call people 'racists' when they criticise muslims for example. I doubt if 'muslim' is going to show up in DNA. Heck, even different christian denominations dislike each other, as do muslim ones--and to an even greater degree.

Which is why I prefer looking at the similarities. I am human. You are human. We are all humans. We are all hypocrites.

That's the cards we've all been dealt. Make lemonade.

Skepdick wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:33 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:30 am Not sure what you are giggling at (unless you feel that being shown up as a hypocrite is funny).

Shown up? I admit it proudly. Hypocrisy is human. I am human.

Your lack of self-awareness is disturbing.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:30 am Humans dislike each other for many reasons, and skin colour alone would make up only a minute percentage of it. A far bigger part of it would be cultural differences. You are the idiots who call people 'racists' when they criticise muslims for example. I doubt if 'muslim' is going to show up in DNA. Heck, even different christian denominations dislike each other, as do muslim ones--and to an even greater degree.

Which is why I prefer looking at the similarities. I am human. You are human. We are all humans. We are all hypocrites.

That's the cards we've all been dealt. Make lemonade.

And 'humans' don't like each other. Get over it.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Aug 21, 2019 11:35 am And 'humans' don't like each other. Get over it.

Some humans like each other. Some humans don't.

Lets not resort to collectivist thought now, shall we?