Philosophy Now Forum

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:32 amWhat about you?

Because if I went and sat in a philosophy classroom to discuss things at the local university, they'd probably just kick me out for not paying tuition.

To have interesting open ended conversations and learn from those who are significantly more educated than I
To become slightly less stupid as a consequence while passing away the time before death eventually takes me

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:56 am Because if I went and sat in a philosophy classroom to discuss things at the local university, they'd probably just kick me out for not paying tuition.

I was paying tuition. They kicked me out anyway.

Something about "refusing to adhere to proper discourse" - I don't know.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:46 am

melancocky wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:42 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:32 am Me, it's because I want to test my understanding of something extremely pro_found, and the reasoning of other intelligent minds at the other end of keyboards..with what I suggest to them.

What about you?

I want to find truth about being and reality, whatever that means and wherever it leads.
I also want to make friends with others who feel this longing to know reality.

Well said. It's been a quest for us both, i'm sure, since we had the magnitude of thought to wonder why a ripple forms when we break the surface of a puddle with our feet.

At the stage I am at, I wonder what it is that is the nature of the entity that constructs our reality.

The nature of that Entity is in two parts/senses.
In the spiritual sense that Entity is the one and only OPEN Mind, Itself, which is what has allowed human beings to have imagined, and then create, ALL of what they have.

In the physical sense that Entity is the Universe, Itself.

Both parts are very natural and so they are the Nature of the Entity, Itself.

Some might refer to that Spiritual part/sense as God, but in order for "things" to be created then physicality is needed. The Universe, Itself, is what the Creator IS, and some might refer to this also as God.

God is One Entity made up of two parts. One can be physical seen the other can not. But both are needed to construct ONE reality, obviously.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:56 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:46 am

melancocky wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:42 amI want to find truth about being and reality, whatever that means and wherever it leads.
I also want to make friends with others who feel this longing to know reality.

Well said. It's been a quest for us both, i'm sure, since we had the magnitude of thought to wonder why a ripple forms when we break the surface of a puddle with our feet.

At the stage I am at, I wonder what it is that is the nature of the entity that constructs our reality.

The nature of that Entity is in two parts/senses.
In the spiritual sense that Entity is the one and only OPEN Mind, Itself, which is what has allowed human beings to have imagined, and then create, ALL of what they have.

By that statement, you must incur that humans have created our reality.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:56 amIn the physical sense that Entity is the Universe, Itself.

From my comprehension of the entity, Panentheism is still the glove that fits best.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:56 amBoth parts are very natural and so they are the Nature of the Entity, Itself.

Some might refer to that Spiritual part/sense as God, but in order for "things" to be created then physicality is needed. The Universe, Itself, is what the Creator IS, and some might refer to this also as God.

God is One Entity made up of two parts. One can be physical seen the other can not. But both are needed to construct ONE reality, obviously.

Certainly - reality, which I know is a construct of this 'God'\3rd party intelligence can be seen, but what any theist tends to fail to comprehend, is that it is also a key component of our consciousness, in that it knows every thought that passes through ones mind, it can force a thought to ones mind...in fact, if it decided it wanted you to go check the mail, you will do so, without even realising that it was not of your own will.
IT can ensure destiny.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:07 am PS - Regarding understanding the nature of reality. The intricacies of logic placed within this common protocol is a reasonable place to start..

For example:-
Why do we walk on our souls? Why is heal so close to our soul?

When one is en-light-ened, then they are, literally, up-lifted up off of the ground and on the wall the king is on. Wal.king in Spirit. Walking on our souls is walking with the Spirit, weightless and free. The weight has been lifted off our soles and into our spiritual Soul.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:07 am Why is heel so close to our sole? Why do we walk on our soles?

When one knows WHY they are down, and weighted down, with sickness, then they KNOW how to prevent from being sick ever again. The spiritual up-lifting again, gained from this knowledge, allows that one to be able to walk again sky high in the knowledge that healing for ALL will soon begin also. With ALL walking, with wings, on their souls with the king of them ALL.

melancocky wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:53 am You had me at "the nature of the entity that constructs our reality." I am dying to know the relationship between my consciousness and reality (which would include the possible creator).

You lost me at the protocol and shoe stuff. I don't understand what you mean.

'Consciousness' is THAT what is the Creator, in the "nonphysical" or spiritual sense.

There is NO 'my' consciousness. There is only Consciousness. If some thing has been made aware of, then "it" exists consciously, or in the consciousness. What that person within that body is aware of is in the consciousness of that body. But when ALL is KNOWN, or is made aware of, then that is Consciousness, Itself.

Gary Childress wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 7:56 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:32 amWhat about you?

Because if I went and sat in a philosophy classroom to discuss things at the local university, they'd probably just kick me out for not paying tuition.

When I was in college, back before grade inflation, some fellow no one knew walked into one of our classes and sat in the back of the room. Our professor, a Russian, came in and took roll like he did every day. In fact, the attendance book was all he ever brought to class other than his cigarettes and his genius. He would chain smoke a whole pack during one lecture … one guess how he died. He had a signature move. When he finished with one he would toss it over his shoulder without looking, and it would bounce off the blackboard in a shower of sparks. At the end of class he would leave the pile of ashes for those paid to attend to such things. He noticed the new student and asked him who he was, and why was he here. The fellow said, to "audit" the class. The professor told him to leave. He told him that he must pay, like everyone else in the room. The professor valued the knowledge he was paid to share, and the years he spent acquiring not only his bona fides. It was quite respectful of the other students and the system of capitalism which he appreciated, having lived under Communist rule until he defected.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:44 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:07 am PS - Regarding understanding the nature of reality. The intricacies of logic placed within this common protocol is a reasonable place to start..

For example:-
Why do we walk on our souls? Why is heal so close to our soul?

When one is en-light-ened, then they are, literally, up-lifted up off of the ground and on the wall the king is on. Wal.king in Spirit. Walking on our souls is walking with the Spirit, weightless and free. The weight has been lifted off our soles and into our spiritual Soul.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:07 am Why is heel so close to our sole? Why do we walk on our soles?

When one knows WHY they are down, and weighted down, with sickness, then they KNOW how to prevent from being sick ever again. The spiritual up-lifting again, gained from this knowledge, allows that one to be able to walk again sky high in the knowledge that healing for ALL will soon begin also. With ALL walking, with wings, on their souls with the king of them ALL.

Actually, it was rhetorical questioning.

Have you ever seen that picture where there are two people's footprints in the sand, and then there is only one set of footprints...I saw it years (B4 I comprehended the entity) ago on a friends parents wall, when I was a kid...it had a caption something like - 'why lord when my times were troubled did you leave me?' and the lords answer was 'I did not leave you, where you see a single set of footprints, is where I carried you.'

Over the years that I have known this entity - and through its tests...I came to real eyes, that in fact, in those terrible times where the entity was testing me, and I was troubled - sure there were a single set of footprints...because the c^nt was now weighing me down on my back.

You have no true comprehension of this entity - and certainly do not know how to delve into the English language where the sages have laid their messages...sawwy.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:10 pm

melancocky wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:53 am 1. You had me at "the nature of the entity that constructs our reality." I am dying to know the relationship between my consciousness and reality (which would include the possible creator).

2. You lost me at the protocol and shoe stuff. I don't understand what you mean.

Point 2. is easier to address so i'll just go there. I am talking about our method of communication re protocol. - the English language - it has (if you can allow yourself to consider that there is a 3rd party intelligence as a backbone to our reality) logical intricacies embedded within.

The example I gave was based on a primary principle of under.standing the logical intricacies - that of homophones.

Thee under.standing comes because thee Truth 'lays' at the bottom or deep-down of ALL things, but also 'stands' over ALL things.

understanding 'under.standing', itself, leads to great in-sights in-to well hidden dark secrets, which have not yet been seen. But they will be en-light-ened.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:10 pm...in other words - if we are in a system where a 3rd party intelligence 'constructs' our reality then, comprehend that our common form of communication around the world - English has logical intricacies embedded within it. (a sage taught me so).

The Spirit within you ALL is the Spirit-u-all One teaching you all. Through age, s(pirtual)-age that is, there is guidance and teaching, if only It is listened to. This tutor, through in-tuition with-in u all, is guiding you all with the light to en-light-en you all so that you all can be Truly up-lifted.

The One Creator that has divided you all in to an in-divid-u-al, so that the one agreed upon knowledge that is the EXACT SAME can be and will be re-veal-ed. The more that is un-cover-ed the more that is un-veil-ed also.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:27 pm

melancocky wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 11:53 am 1. You had me at "the nature of the entity that constructs our reality." I am dying to know the relationship between my consciousness and reality (which would include the possible creator).

Regarding, point 1 ..that's perhaps the biggest quest_ion we have.

David Chalmers I feel is the bloke balls in deep on this quest. I suggested to him that, just as an electronic component on a circuit board functions via its account of anode to cathode, that perhaps our consciousness - where we can feel a scratch on the back of our hand, is courtesy of our reality being input to our being back to dark matter\energy. It was a long shot, but he did suggest it may require just the right crazy idea!

I really think there is something far deeper to our ability to 'sense' than just a pile of biological matter, especially from my understanding of the 3rd party intelligence.

Perhaps for us to be conscious requires us to inhale from the light to the dark!

'Think'-ing that "we" are a human body or somehow that that is who "we" are only drives that one further away from the Truth rather than towards It.

Logik wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:39 pm I am avoiding doing the soul-destroying work of completing my dry and boring masters thesis by pursuing things which are far more amusing to me.

Undermining "logicians" and "mathematicians". In the process I seem to be producing work that my supervisor says could easily translate into a PhD thesis. I think I have shot myself in the foot (or he is just playing me to get me to finish my original thesis).

I think bar-procrastination is far safer.

"You" must be a very smart person, from what you have made clear and informed us all of here. Congratulations.

Logik wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:28 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:22 pm You find the forum an amusement!?

An amusing distraction

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:22 pm Apart from an art painting project which the sage has pretty much forced me to do, I write cyberpunk. My point being in relation to yours and said supervisor, is that external stimuli can be amazing to fire the neurons and take things on a different tack.

My full-time job offers more than enough challenges and hard problems to fire up the neurons and is ahead of academia by a few decades.

Wow, you must be even smarter than what you TRIED TO portray in your last post here.

Logik wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:28 pmAs a result academia offers absolute no new insight. In fact - more knowledge exists outside of the institution than in, so I am not sure who is doing who a favour at the moment. They should be paying ME for my insights.
My choice to become a student has (in hind sight) been a mistake.

Even more insight given into even you did NOT realize just how smart you really are.

Logik wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:28 pm

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:22 pm I'm not particularly well educated compared to many around here, but I think, and I could be wrong, that your thesis must be boring because it is constrained by way of being fixed in logic - perhaps computer science, not much room to move with new ideas?

For varying definitions of "educated". I am an autodidact.

Does that mean that you are ever more smarter, again?

Logik wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 2:28 pmComputer science is pretty much "the world is what you make it". Bar the hard problems (limits) imposed by physics.
Mathematics is largely a huge bag of solutions without problems...


Find what makes you happy and do a LOT of it. For some people that's hookers and blow.

And for others that is bragging and blowing (their own "trumpet"). A LOT of that gets done here. I am sure they must be happy now.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:33 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:56 am

attofishpi wrote: ↑Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:46 am

Well said. It's been a quest for us both, i'm sure, since we had the magnitude of thought to wonder why a ripple forms when we break the surface of a puddle with our feet.

At the stage I am at, I wonder what it is that is the nature of the entity that constructs our reality.

The nature of that Entity is in two parts/senses.
In the spiritual sense that Entity is the one and only OPEN Mind, Itself, which is what has allowed human beings to have imagined, and then create, ALL of what they have.

By that statement, you must incur that humans have created our reality.

WHY did you come to that conclusion? In other words what ASSUMPTION were you making to arrive at this wrong conclusion?

The OPEN Mind, to me, certainly is NOT human beings. They are some thing completely different.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:33 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:56 amIn the physical sense that Entity is the Universe, Itself.

From my comprehension of the entity, Panentheism is still the glove that fits best.

That is from your perspective/comprehension, but from my perspective/comprehension there is NO one "glove" that fits best. As there are Truth and falsities within all separate views/perspectives.

The one and only True view is the One shared SAME agreed upon view. This is the One that fits best - perfectly.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:33 pm

Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 11:56 amBoth parts are very natural and so they are the Nature of the Entity, Itself.

Some might refer to that Spiritual part/sense as God, but in order for "things" to be created then physicality is needed. The Universe, Itself, is what the Creator IS, and some might refer to this also as God.

God is One Entity made up of two parts. One can be physical seen the other can not. But both are needed to construct ONE reality, obviously.

Certainly - reality, which I know is a construct of this 'God'\3rd party intelligence can be seen, but what any theist tends to fail to comprehend, is that it is also a key component of our consciousness, in that it knows every thought that passes through ones mind, it can force a thought to ones mind...in fact, if it decided it wanted you to go check the mail, you will do so, without even realising that it was not of your own will.

Of course what is constructed, by intelligence, into physical matter can be seen, by the physical eyes. But what can NOT be seen by the physical eyes is the 'invisible intelligence', which has created physical "things". Although this can be SEEN/UNDERSTOOD, by the very thing that can NOT be seen, by the physical eyes. The invisible intelligence, within ALL, is what can SEE and UNDERSTAND ALL things. This is what KNOWS the Truth of ALL things.

Also, if one is going to use words like "one's mind" I am going to ask them to provide clarity on what IS "it" exactly that they are referring to?

And, who/what is the 'our' in 'our consciousness'?

Also, why did you use the 'theist' word here?

If a person who wants to be known as any 'ist' or to be known as to be belonging to any 'ism' group, then that one is NOT open to SEEING.

attofishpi wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 12:33 pmIT can ensure destiny.

IT already HAS ensured destiny. Destiny HAS been CREATED, and been ful(ly)filled.

By the way human beings doing things not of their own will is REAL-ized.

Human beings are yet to even understand WHY they do the things they do. They are also still undecided if what they do was determined of even if they have free will or not. Human beings, when this is written, are still yet to even discover what their own will, let alone what 'free will' entails.

Age wrote: ↑Mon Mar 04, 2019 1:14 pm "You" must be a very smart person, from what you have made clear and informed us all of here. Congratulations.

What am I being congratulated for exactly?