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Nisus wrote:

realunoriginal wrote: By the way, why are you so sure that Artisticsolution is a 'hag'?

Mr Unoriginal is right about one thing...I am a hag (It's one of my many blessings) but I am not a British hag...I am an American hag.

Thank you one and all for the welcome, the intro invites speculation, but it was simply timely co subject small talk.

Sonofgloin wrote:Thank you one and all for the welcome, the intro invites speculation, but it was simply timely co subject small talk.

And don't forget to write your future posts in English!

artisticsolution wrote:

Nisus wrote:

realunoriginal wrote: By the way, why are you so sure that Artisticsolution is a 'hag'?

Mr Unoriginal is right about one thing...I am a hag (It's one of my many blessings) but I am not a British hag...I am an American hag.

Beauty does not the body caress, but the beauty does abound no less........Sonofgloin

There, Really Unoriginal, Sonofgloin is gonna teach you how to properly approach a lady...

Shit!

Welcome to the forum Sonofgloin.

AMod

I love the "FOE" function!! It's great!
FYI regarding ArtisticSolution: She is a LADY; she never starts a fight, though she may finish them.

RachelAnn wrote:I love the "FOE" function!! It's great!
FYI regarding ArtisticSolution: She is a LADY; she never starts a fight, though she may finish them.

LOL Thank you for the kind words RachelAnn. Don't ya just hate the word lady...it's kinda like the word Ma'am...it just corners you into a box...but then again...I am sure no one has called you Ma'am yet

Bette Davis said,"There are two kinds of women: ladies and broads. I am a broad." Ditto. (I start fights).

artisticsolution wrote: LOL Thank you for the kind words RachelAnn. Don't ya just hate the word lady...it's kinda like the word Ma'am...it just corners you into a box...but then again...I am sure no one has called you Ma'am yet

A the society in which I live has traditionally kept away from the terms "sir or madam or maam" when client and service supplier have interacted. In the States I am addressed as sir when I pick up my dry cleaning, stay at a hotel, eat in a restaurant, or buy a burger at Maccas. Whereas here in Australia the response from staff to the client is usually much less formal, thanks mate, thankyou "darl" (darling), thankyou luv (love), these examples are used by both genders to identify the other. For some reason my compatriots will not formalize the servant master role in commercial transactions, That is not to say the service level or respect for the client is compromised but the transaction carries less formality with it as it seems to in the States.

Sonofgloin wrote: A the society in which I live has traditionally kept away from the terms "sir or madam or maam" when client and service supplier have interacted. In the States I am addressed as sir when I pick up my dry cleaning, stay at a hotel, eat in a restaurant, or buy a burger at Maccas. Whereas here in Australia the response from staff to the client is usually much less formal, thanks mate, thankyou "darl" (darling), thankyou luv (love), these examples are used by both genders to identify the other. For some reason my compatriots will not formalize the servant master role in commercial transactions, That is not to say the service level or respect for the client is compromised but the transaction carries less formality with it as it seems to in the States.

In the States
there is no lower-class hang ups about the upper-class
British Royalty has not been seen or heard of'
since the 1760"s

MagnetMan wrote: In the States
there is no lower-class hang ups about the upper-class
British Royalty has not been seen or heard of'
since the 1760"s

MM as you know we in Aussie have an ongoing friendly rivalry with the Brits because we share two national sports, cricket, and rugby. I do not think that the class consciousness inherited from the Brits, that was apparent in Australia sixty years ago is still evident today. Although we did carry the British class system's baggage for a long time, the sixties forever changed that here and in Britain.

MM, the comparison I gave of the States and Australia in respect to the terms used when addressing a client does not intimate a difference in social strata as much as it does comment on the formality that is attached to that transaction. Aussies are definately more "laid back" in their approach to all things mundane than the U.S. and Britain. The worth your society puts on the type of verbiage used in such transactions is looked upon as secondry in the process of transaction here in Aussie. We don't care how you address us as long as we get what we paid for and you were friendly during the process. Whereas in the States the obligatory "sir or madam" response is looked on as a value add to the transaction, a respectful addition giving a prioritizing of station in the transaction relationship.

We tend to shy away from formality. In business dealings I have seen this attitude taken as disinterest or disrespect, but other cultures come to realize that the task is more important to us than the flanking social graces that are important to them in their dealings with one another. White South Africans are similar to Aussies in their business attitudes, the means to the end is more important than the platitudes you marry into the interaction. Many cultures see this as a sign of disrespect, but if anything it is an honest appraisal of the worth of the transaction, judge me by what I do rather than the words I may use to give you a sense of power in the transaction.

MM in the States my experience has been that the south and the mid west folks are more interested in the product than the hype, but the east and west coast folks want the lot, that is the formality of the transaction with them being acknowledged as the power player and ofcourse to receive the product or service they have paid for.........MM I don't know why I said all that as you have been around and seen it first hand........what is your perception of the Aussie, I would find that interesting.

Sonofgloin wrote: We don't care how you address us as long as we get what we paid for and you were friendly during the process. Whereas in the States the obligatory "sir or madam" response is looked on as a value add to the transaction, a respectful addition giving a prioritizing of station in the transaction relationship.

MM in the States my experience has been that the south and the mid west folks are more interested in the product than the hype, but the east and west coast folks want the lot, that is the formality of the transaction with them being acknowledged as the power player and ofcourse to receive the product or service they have paid for....

Hi Son,

I live in the west...Nevada...and I can tell you it is the way you say in Las Vegas and in parts of California. I would much prefer the informal friendly process of Australia. You are right, it is all about the power play here.

I have to admit...when you first introduced yourself to me I wondered why you were saying that about me...not knowing me. Now mind you...I smiled but I also cringed. You said so much with so few words. And even typing that truth to you I am cringing...because 1. I don't want to discourage you from being yourself around me and in the forum. 2. I thought it was cute/nice. 3. From a man or woman in LV OR LA it would have been a subtle insult. (which I did not take it as...so no worries)

I just wanted to point out how it might sound to superficial west coast women who are trained early on to think beauty is the most important thing on Earth to possess no matter what age. Women here spend millions on making sure no one ever says:

"Beauty does not the body caress, but the beauty does abound no less."

And isn't that a shame? When that is about the most beautiful thing that a person can say to another person? I was humbled by that sentiment, but I am not used to receiving compliments such as this and I have been thinking about it ever since. Remarkable that anyone, anywhere could not bask in the beauty of such words is beyond my comprehension and it leaves me wondering if I do this a lot subconsciously. Am I conditioned to think like a west coast American? Anyway, thank you for pointing out the subtleties of different cultures. I am glad you joined the forum.

AS thank you for your thoughts

On appearance, my mother describes some males as "ugly handsome". When I asked her to explain she said that on first appearance they have no redeeming feature, their ears may be large, their nose large, their eyes too close together, their facial shape may not be instantly appealing, but the more I see them the better they look, their unique face attracts me if the personality is nice. This comment encapsulates the way we interact with each other and the way our perceptions of beauty change the longer we know someone. How does that movie line go "I have become accustomed to her face"

I learnt my lesson on beauty when I was 13, I took a job in a local supermarket on weekends and during my school holidays. With a staff of 20 it was my first work experience, and my first experience of working with co workers. The head girl who all the staff answered to in regard to fulfilling their job specification was 30 something, slimly built with a beautifully featured angelic face and a soft calm voice, and was "despised" by the other staff to a man, or girl. It took me a few months but the undercurrent of hate became evident to me without any of them telling me the reasons.
I worked there for 3 years and without going into individual examples witin the first year I identified Julie as manipulative, coercive, deceitful, unforgiving and unrelenting in her wrath, and a practiced passive aggressive in her actions. She disgusted me as an individual but her looks and practiced demeanor showed no trace of the evil self serving nature that lay underneath. she was truely an ugly person.

It was my first experience of judging a book by it's cover and obviously AS I never forgot it.

Artisticsolution wrote:I live in the west...Nevada...and I can tell you it is the way you say in Las Vegas and in parts of California.'

Hi fellow Nevadan,
I live up the map a ways
Midway to Reno
liittle hamlet called, Dyer.

Sonofgloin wrote:.....MM I don't know why I said all that as you have been around and seen it first hand........what is your perception of the Aussie, I would find that interesting.

Hi Son,
Your up-to-date explanation shows me that I am out of date with the Ausie psyche
My memories go back 50 years when we all bowed to good Queen Liz
Even my South African memories are out-dated
I have been in the States too long
Here the almighty buck dictates every social interaction

I have been on every continent, but Australia
All reports from there are good
Yours included I am pleased to hear
Maybe I should move

You do realize of course
that you are directly on the future Asian migration route
Not that that is a bad thing
Brother Mongol has good manners in general
Loa Tse, Confucius and Buddha where all good influences.
Mao screwed things up a bit.

You are very right about beauty
being in the eyes of the beholder
we see it when the soul shines
in the most homely of faces