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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:24 am

Davyboi wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:19 pm To honest maybe he could of worded it better than zombie parasites, but I do find this subject very interesting, none the less. no offense Veritas, some of your views, are a bit out there, but they our yours.so I will respect them..everyman's opinion is just as valid as the next man's.

Noted.
This is a philosophical forum for discussions and I will accept any argument that is well argued & justified and if not, at least qualified.

Hi veritas, glad to know you have the decenty to except over people's views/opinions..i Respect that.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Tue Nov 20, 2018 5:24 am

Davyboi wrote: ↑Mon Nov 19, 2018 10:19 pm To honest maybe he could of worded it better than zombie parasites, but I do find this subject very interesting, none the less. no offense Veritas, some of your views, are a bit out there, but they our yours.so I will respect them..everyman's opinion is just as valid as the next man's.

Noted.
This is a philosophical forum for discussions and I will accept any argument that is well argued & justified and if not, at least qualified.

Wow...you "will accept". Fallacy of authority.

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:09 am My thesis [as raised by others as well] is the cognition of a God is an illusion from a deception of the mind [a defense mechanism] to deal with some very desperate psychology driven by an inherent unavoidable existential crisis which I had grouped and labelled as from "zombie parasites."[/list]

Ah, but the cognition of a God is not the same as God. In other words, the belief in God is not the same as the existence of God.

God may be real even if the cognition of God is an illusion.

Nonetheless, how could you determine that you are being deceived while, indeed, you are being deceived?

commonsense wrote: ↑Fri Nov 23, 2018 11:16 pm

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Sun Nov 18, 2018 8:09 am My thesis [as raised by others as well] is the cognition of a God is an illusion from a deception of the mind [a defense mechanism] to deal with some very desperate psychology driven by an inherent unavoidable existential crisis which I had grouped and labelled as from "zombie parasites."[/list]

Ah, but the cognition of a God is not the same as God. In other words, the belief in God is not the same as the existence of God.

God may be real even if the cognition of God is an illusion.

What you meant is 'perception' via the senses.
Yes, it is well understood generally, the 'perception' of a real apple on the table in the brain/mind is not the same as the real apple on a table which can be physically verified and eaten.

The problem with the idea of God is such God's existence cannot be verified at all.
I have proven the idea of God is an impossibility to be real.
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=24704

Note the example of the schizophrenic who insist live gnomes are real because he 'really' had perceived and talked to them.
The idea of God is similar to the above albeit in a different degrees as compelled by zombie parasites in the brain.

Nonetheless, how could you determine that you are being deceived while, indeed, you are being deceived?

The brain/mind is deceiving the self all the time and it is a default.
Note I presented this;

Your brain hallucinates your conscious reality
viewtopic.php?f=11&t=25316

However such hallucinations come in degrees and level.
In addition there are sub-levels of hallucination/deceptions, i.e. we have hallucinations-X within hallucination-Y.

To understand the above one will need to be educated with a wide knowledge based and use critical thinking extensively and aggressively.

For example;
1. Our normal conscious reality is a hallucination-CR, say a 5% hallucination.
2. Within hallucination-CR the self is further deceived by the brain/mind in the example of the face illusion [see below], mirage, and many other illusions.

Thank you, Veritas, for reminding me of the difference between perception and cognition.

And thanks, especially, for the links to your OP's. The arguments are both fascinating and unassailable, yet many attempts at counterarguments were submitted, and I would like to read those as well. 400+ posts to go.

VA, I am not ready to be your student, however, with the use of Wikipedia (to expand my knowledge base) and caffeine (to activate my critical thinking), I hope to catch up.