The scientific process, as the embodied form of circularity which is a definition of God and natural law, is a means to conscious awareness of the universe and hence has a self reflective property that is also synonymous to a definition.Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 7:39 amI am not asking you to give a critique of the Scientific Method.Eodnhoj7 wrote: ↑Wed Nov 07, 2018 6:41 am
Not sure of your point.
If you insist God exists as real, where is the evidence to justify your claim?
The question is subjective to your interpretation, unless you provide a framework for evidence. But this framework is subject to personal desire or fallacy of equivocation and bandwagon at the larger level. Regardless, pick a framework of evidence.
The framework I pick is that of Science and the highest possible framework of critical thinking within philosophy-proper.
Now prove to me your God [illusory] exists within the above frameworks.
Okay.
The scientific method is dependent upon a progressive circularity that makes it a conscious means of interpretation. This circularity is common within all natural law and human reasoning and is premised within the book of the 24 philosophers directly and indirectly as one of the definitions of God (along with the Socratic and medieval interpration of circularity being divine.)
The scientific method, exists because of this circularity, and as such and extension of the human conscious. Both observe a further circularity where man as image of God is God existing through man. The scientific method, as a rational means of consciousness, is an extension of Divine consciousness where while it cannot exist on its own terms is still a means of truth and is an approximation of God and Man as an image.
The scientific method itself, and it's framework, is a proof of God with circularity due to its infinite nature being a defintion of God.
Note at present you are using your brain/mind in making a claim 'God exists' which is illusory. How can you even proceed when you do not understand thoroughly what is going inside your brain/mind?
Actually above you said the brain is not the soul [sole] determinant of consciousness so the argument contradicts itself.
What?? did not expense your skull to be that thick.
Yes, it is not the sole but I stated it is the ultimate determinant of human consciousness.
The brain/mind is the ultimate [with the heaviest weightage] in judgment.
It cannot be the ultimate if it is dependent upon other functions of the body to exist. It would be like saying the arm is the most useful aspect of the body, but it is fundamentally useless without a strong back, or eyes to give it direction.
If you insist God exists is real, then call or point to your God and subject it to the Scientific Method and if all scientists accept the paper presented then I will agree God exists as real subjected to the Scientific Method.
Note Stephen Hawking who body had degenerated and was still recognized as one of the world best scientific thinkers. Because his brain/mind was still very active, I bet if he was supported by an artificial heart, and other artificial organs, he would had been able to think and express this thoughts via what his brain/mind can direct and communicate with, e.g. eyelids, lips, etc.
This prove the brain/mind is the ultimate determinant of a person's basic consciousness.
The heart, where one places value hence premise to truth, cannot be denied. It may also be argued his consciousness suffered because of his lack of health. What you offer is not proof of anything.
There is not greater or determination of consciousness if everything is connected. Otherwise you are left with a relativistic interpretation.
The formation of consciousness and progression of it, through the scientific method and it's embodied is attributed to aspects and definitions of God, hence constitutes its own proof when reflected upon these definitions.