surreptitious57 wrote: ↑Fri Oct 26, 2018 5:20 pm
Age wrote:
the Universe is infinite / eternal but there is actually NO actual space nor time ( many many
thousands of words to explain fully and be understood fully ) but in essence there is only a NOW
Can you give a brief but detailed explanation as to why you think there is no actual space or time
YES, but if it is at all understood or not is another matter. Even if it even began to be looked at is even another matter.
What is the "time", where THAT observer IS? (Let us call 'THAT observer' s57.)
So, what is the "time" where s57 is NOW?
Now, how much is that "time" going to be in alignment or in sync with another or other observers?
Because absolutely EVERY thing is relative to the observer, so IS "time", "space", and even their definitions, also.
Now, let us take the observer s57 and place them on planet x, RIGHT NOW, which is four light years away from where s57 was a second before s57 was placed on planet x? Now, what is the "time"? How in sync is that "time", with in any thing else?
Once an observer is in another point within the Universe, the whole concept of "time" gets scrambled and/or mixed up.
There is NO actual time existing any where. There is HOWEVER a perception of "time", which I will let you human beings decide what the definition of that is. I am pretty sure you will come to an agreement pretty quickly.. Or, will I, have I, be proven WRONG already?
You, human beings, have been thinking about "time", for quite a WHILE NOW, (pun, I will let you decide?), so what is the actual definition of "time" that you human beings have come up with, come to an agreement upon, AND accepted as being True and Right in the year ONLY SOME call 2018?
I will give a clue. 'Time' is just the label given to the word that describes the movement of whatever instrument that you human beings use to measure between PERCEIVED different, and differently labelled, events.
There is ONLY One event that exists/happens. NOW. What is perceived to be a BEFORE or a AFTER is just that - a perception. Unless of course a person can accurately and sufficiently explain WHERE and WHEN that BEFORE and AFTER are. (Accurately and sufficiently means in agreement with absolutely EVERYONE as One).
Whether 'space' can be understood as NOT being an actual thing is also depended upon the observer reading this. Also, 'space' being NOT an actual thing made be a lot harder to understand, for some. To some, this idea is NOT even considerable, at the moment, when this is first read.
For things to be observed there obviously NEEDS to be an observer. So, WHERE is that observer s57 actually?
Because absolutely EVERY thing is RELATIVE to the observer, and, ALL the human being observers are obviously DIFFERENT, then how EACH observer answers that question will also obviously be RELATIVELY DIFFERENT. NO observers, from the human being perspective, could be the EXACT same. So, WHERE is that one observer we call s57?
Some might say just behind the eyes? Some might say it is the one that concludes based on what the eye's see? Some would say it is the one looking? Others might say it is the eye's themselves? Some might say some where else? But no matter where you, human being, observers think and say the observer IS for now, let us just say it is some where with or within the human body from the exterior of the pupil of eyes inwards of that body.
So, from at least the eyes outwards of that body, the observer s57 is behind that inwards. Now, is what the observer s57 observes and sees really there?
If the answer no was given, then great. That shows how there is NO actual space.
If, however, the answer yes was given, then you would probably already be aware that what you, the observer, see happening on a sun five light years away happened five light years ago and that is NOT what is happening now. For all you KNOW that sun could have exploded three light years ago or even three days ago, but either way you still have some period before you will really KNOW
what IS happening. So, what you see is NOT
what actually
IS.
Now, observe things closer and closer back to that body you are observing from, with each closer and closer object you observe and with imagination answer the question is that also
what IS happening RIGHT NOW? That would be the same answer for absolutely every object right back the THE OBSERVER. Even if the finger from the human body was placed a ten of an inch from the human eye what is seen happening has passed and gone, just in a shorter distance than the five light years ago previously observed.
From the actual and True Observer's view what becomes observed is NOT happening NOW. That observance has already disappeared and gone. NO matter WHAT distance a object/thing APPEARS to be, that object/thing is NOT the exact same object/thing. What you, the human being observer, sees ONLY APPEARS to be that way. Even to the extent that although 'space' and 'time' may appear to exist in some way to some observers, there is NO actual object/thing as "space" nor "time".
NOW, to verify if this IS or even COULD BE true, right, and correct, imagine you could (I already KNOW you insist that it is impossible) BUT just imagine if you, the observer, COULD travel from WHERE you, the observer, are NOW, to planet x four light years away instantly. This is very easy to do because you the observer does NOT have to drag that human body along with you. You, can just OBSERVE this, and SEE what happens. Now, if you the observer travel at the speed of light to planet x and left NOW, then you would arrive NOW. Do you agree?
From the NO space and NO time perspective I talk of, there actual was NO space NOR time correct. This can also be OBSERVED and SEEN from the scientific perspective of "time stops" and "space contracts" perspective also, which is WHAT is said to happen at the speed of light.
The Truth, from my perspective ONLY, which could be partly WRONG or completely WRONG, of which I remain completely OPEN to also, IS there is NO actual "space" and there is NO actual "time" , and, that there only APPEARS to be the case.
From the human body perspective it would NOT make any sense that a 3 dimensional human body could exist if there was NO 3 dimensional space, and, from a human body perspective it would NOT make any sense also that a human body could move if there was NO time moving also.
But if you can go inside further from the human body and look out from an observers perspective, trying to NOT to be affected by they human body, and see from a deeper perspective of things, these things can become clearer.
However, there is a further far more deeper perspective from WHERE to look and observer from that gives an even much clearer perspective of things. This is WHERE A crystal clear vision of ALL-THERE-IS (EVERYTHING as One) comes from.
This IS what i think.
To give a much more detailed and FULLY understood explanation as to why i think there is no actual space or time I need to discuss this one on one with an individual so that I KNOW, for sure, what parts they are understanding and what parts they are not. I obviously do NOT KNOW where a person is up to or not up to if it is just me doing all the talking.