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TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:36 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:32 pm

Age wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 4:38 pm

Have I said 'God' is 'nature' previously for you to make an assumption like this?



If there surely has to be some kind of consensus, then what is that consensus?



I have not said that, but that is just about right.

Human beings can be the most stupid creature on the planet. They, at times, believe in things that they have absolutely no evidence for support. They also, at times, believe in things that are completely and utterly false, untrue, and incorrect. Just maybe you, yourself, have believed in things from time to time, that you do not know what that thing is?

Have you ever believed in something that you do not know what that something is?

If you are going to answer this question, then be very careful with your answer. I can already see the outcome.



Do you believe that i am in any way, shape or form religious, in the sense that you are proposing here? If so, then please explain WHY you believe this to be so.

In case you missed it, I also asked, Prior to any real consensus on what THE 'thing' itself actually is, is there any real point in trying to affirm there IS such 'a thing', a God, ALSO. I think that would have been enough evidence for most people that I am NOT religious, in the sense that I believe a God exists from the perspective of how you see what God is.

I have NEVER expect either side, of the most ridiculous debate in history, to define God. I have alluded to the fact that prior to any real consensus on what 'God' IS, BY ALL PEOPLE, what is the actual point of discussing if God exists or not.

Find out what God actually IS first, then you will KNOW, for sure, if It exists or not.

I find it extremely humorous how people on either side of this most stupid of human debates actually BELIEVE that I am on the other side of what they are. Either side can and do this, equally. Talk about being truly blinded by their own beliefs.

I will state it once, and for ALL; I do NOT take sides. I do NOT see nor have a side to take on this matter. There is NO side to truth.



Well you thought WRONG. I, for one, certainly do NOT agree that 'God' is supernatural. By definition 'supernatural' could NOT even exist. Now that is what is an impossibility.

Why do you believe that if God is not supernatural then there is not much point to it?

Exactly. 'Supernatual' can't exist by definiton. (I wonder where you got that from?). What the fuck else would a 'God' be then?
Or are you another illiterate yank nuisance who 'think's that word meanings are entirely subjective?

Then why define something that doesn’t exist?

Why even invent the world ‘supernatural’?

The very phrase “supernatural phenomena” is an oxymoron!

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:43 pm

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:36 pm Then why define something that doesn’t exist?

Why even invent the world ‘supernatural’?

The very phrase “supernatural phenomena” is an oxymoron!

This is getting too ridiculous. So everyone is an 'atheist' then. That's good.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:08 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:43 pm

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:36 pm Then why define something that doesn’t exist?

Why even invent the world ‘supernatural’?

The very phrase “supernatural phenomena” is an oxymoron!

This is getting too ridiculous. So everyone is an 'atheist' then. That's good.

Why is it ridiculous?

You understand how the scientific method works, right? Please provide me with an empirical test I can use to determine whether somebody believes in god (theist) or somebody doesn't (atheist).

What is the measurable difference between theists (believers) and atheists (non-believers)?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:40 pm FFS. I really don't give a shit. Provide yourself with it.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:10 am Shouldn't you be defining it since you are the one who apparently believes...

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:40 pm You don't even make sense (except in your mind).

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:50 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:40 pm FFS. I really don't give a shit. Provide yourself with it.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 7:10 am Shouldn't you be defining it since you are the one who apparently believes...

Shouldn't you have evidence if you think there is a difference ? Ironic that you don't wish to be held accountable to your very own standards.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 8:40 pm You don't even make sense (except in your mind).

I can explain to you how science works then?

If one car has a diesel engine, and another that looks exactly like it has a petrol engine - you can actually tell which one is which if you listen carefully OR if you observe/smell the exhaust fumes. e.g there is a DIFFERENCE between the two that you can detect without having to look under the hood.

You can say that a diesel car behaves differently to a petrol car.

So how do theists behave differently to atheists?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:11 pm As I said earlier--so we are all 'atheists' then. That's good.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:13 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:11 pm As I said earlier--so we are all 'atheists' then. That's good.

Is it? We have the one team believing in the existence of nothing. We have the other team rejecting the existence of nothing.

And then we have agnostics who are confused about why nothing needs rejection OR belief.

Theists and atheists are arguing over nothing. Literally!

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:18 pm ps. Is the word 'faith' not a clue?

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:22 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:18 pm ps. Is the word 'faith' not a clue?

I rely on faith all the time! Don't you? I have faith that tomorrow morning I will turn this thing on the wall of my bathroom and warm water will come out of the showerhead.

It doesn't have to, nor do I have a clue how the water comes to my house. It's practically magic!

You are talking to somebody on the other side of the world and you probably don't even have a clue how computers/the internet works or WHO makes it work. So it's basically magic!

I have faith that when I go to buy food I can swipe this piece of plastic as payment. If it stops working - I am fucked! So I have faith that the bank will do its magic to keep it working.

Anything that is outside of my control/influence/understanding I accept on faith. What else CAN I do?

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:31 pm Go away troll.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:35 pm

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 9:31 pm Go away troll.

You can't even tell the difference between an atheist and a theist.

Why do you think you can tell the difference between a troll and a social gadfly?

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:43 amRe Kant's argument, the 'laws of nature' are imposed upon ourselves by our own selves together with the collective of selves past and present.

TimeSeeker wrote:...
You understand how the scientific method works, right? Please provide me with an empirical test I can use to determine whether somebody believes in god (theist) or somebody doesn't (atheist). ...

What is the measurable difference between theists (believers) and atheists (non-believers)?

HexHammer wrote:I know for a fact that he's wrong! I cursed the name of god and had 4 black cats in less than 1 h, next day I fell on my bike!

HexHammer wrote: ↑Thu Oct 18, 2018 12:58 am

Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:43 amRe Kant's argument, the 'laws of nature' are imposed upon ourselves by our own selves together with the collective of selves past and present.

I know for a fact that he's wrong! I cursed the name of god and had 4 black cats in less than 1 h, next day I fell on my bike!