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Veritas Aequitas wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 7:16 amNote the fact is whatever results from meditation and other spiritual practices are confined only to what is happening to mental, brain and body activities of the individual person.

No, this is a fallacy, a conceptual belief there is a ''someone'' with a brain and a body... That I AM my brain and body, is a conceptual believed idea, an appearance appearing nowhere in this already direct manifest I-ness...to then assume I am this and that ''other'' than this I is the illusion.

There is no person who has a brain or a body, a person,brain, body is conceptual, a belief appearance within the actual direct awakeness that is life right now unclaimed.

The body or brain has no interest in meditation. This all stems from belief that there is a ''someone'' who has a body and a brain, that can meditate on whether it exists or not. There is no such entity except in the dream of separation..an illusion.

There is no such ''someone'' except as an idea arising in silent presence.

One doesn't have to ''think'' about being presence or not presence..one simple is presence directly manifesting right here and now.

Any idea that there is somehow a person or little homunculus inside your brain controlling things sounds stupid doesn't it?...I see you deny you ever implied this, but then you are exactly implying this by saying the following...

''Note the fact is whatever results from meditation and other spiritual practices are confined only to what is happening to mental, brain and body activities of the individual person.''

It's all a bit messy isn't it,..assumptions are constanly inferred even though there is no such inferrence made except the belief in this conception of a human being, aka a fictional dreamt character.

You could just be your self, aka the real fictional character, then you could stop trying to prove to yourself you exist or don't exist.







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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:56 am It's all a bit messy isn't it,..assumptions are constanly inferred even though there is no such inferrence made except the belief in this conception of a human being, aka a fictional dreamt character.

You could just be your self, aka the real fictional character, then you could stop trying to prove to yourself you exist or don't exist.

That is a very long way of declaring "I am".

Why? Because I said so.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:00 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:56 am It's all a bit messy isn't it,..assumptions are constanly inferred even though there is no such inferrence made except the belief in this conception of a human being, aka a fictional dreamt character.

You could just be your self, aka the real fictional character, then you could stop trying to prove to yourself you exist or don't exist.

That is a very long way of declaring "I am".

Why? Because I said so.

Some people just like to take the long way home...they like being a passenger.

It is what it is.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:06 pm Some people just like to take the long way home...they like being a passenger.

It is what it is.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:07 am The real is silent, the illusion is the conceptualisation of the silent.

Yeah, but when you take the long way home you fail to see how you contradict yourself.

If the 'real is silent' why are you blabbering on and on and on?

The KISS principle still applies when you are architecting your own mind: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KISS_principle

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:54 am

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:07 am The real is silent, the illusion is the conceptualisation of the silent.

Silence is this direct actual experience of BEINGNESS/ONENESS...which cannot be spoken about. Silence is God, anything spoken about... is Gods illusion. ..aka an expression, an illusory happening within infinity...that never happened.

Silence is the absence of sound ( https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sound ). But sound waves are just pressure variances.
Just because you cannot hear doesn't mean you cannot see, feel, taste, touch and smell.

Sounds are waves.
Light is a wave too.
Wave functions are the essence of quantum mechanics!

Of course - you don't care about falsification, and so no matter how many counter-examples I provide you with - you will still cling onto your broken ideology.

Look all you are doing is reciting knowledge that any fool knows.


This is why I cannot communicate with you, because I'm not talking about absences of anything.

There is nothing absent in all that is was and ever will be which is infinity now.

ABSENCE is not an experience. Only experience is an experience... no one has an experience, there is only experience in this experiencing.

As long as you still believe there is such a thing as counter-arguing then you have picked the wrong I to argue with.

You say ''Just because you cannot hear doesn't mean you cannot see, feel, taste, touch and smell.''

You are just making counter assumptions again as to what you think I am saying...I'm not saying what you only think I am saying.

I'm saying that which cannot be seen is seeing.

That which cannot be felt (touched) is feeling (touching)
That which cannot be tasted is taste.
That which cannot be smelt is odour.
That which cannot be heard is hearing.

The smeller is inseparable from the scent.
The seer is inseparable from the seen.
The feeling is inseparable from the feeler.
The taster is inseparable from the tase.
The silence is inseparable from the sound.


The nameless is inseparable from the named.

The knower is inseparable from the known.

The unknowing is insearable from the knowing.

The thinker is inseparable from the thought.

The bla bla bla bla is inseparable from the bla bla bla bla

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TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:18 pm
If the 'real is silent' why are you blabbering on and on and on?

Because that's what's happening.

Nothing is making happening happen.

Not happening just happens to happen, and when it does it does, and when it doesn't it doesn't.

So why don't you just shut your big fat GOB



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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:46 pm Nothing is making happening happen.

Not happening just happens to happen, and when it does it does, and when it doesn't it doesn't.

So why don't you just shut your big fat GOB

For a passenger/nothing - you sure want to be heard...

It is difficult for anybody to listen, let alone hear you when you speak an incomprehensible language.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:49 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:46 pm Nothing is making happening happen.

Not happening just happens to happen, and when it does it does, and when it doesn't it doesn't.

So why don't you just shut your big fat GOB

For a passenger/nothing - you sure want to be heard...

It is difficult for anybody to listen, let alone hear you when you speak nonsense.

Silence cannot be heard. Silence is deafening.

Nothing is what it seems nor is it otherwise.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:53 pm

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:49 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:46 pm Nothing is making happening happen.

Not happening just happens to happen, and when it does it does, and when it doesn't it doesn't.

So why don't you just shut your big fat GOB

For a passenger/nothing - you sure want to be heard...

It is difficult for anybody to listen, let alone hear you when you speak nonsense.

Silence cannot be heard. Silence is deafening.

Nothing is what it seems nor is it otherwise.

If saddens me that you cannot see the inherent nihilism in your position.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:49 pm
It is difficult for anybody to listen, let alone hear you when you speak an incomprehensible language.

The ego only wants to hear want it wants to hear.

Take what you want, reject the rest, its not rocket science.

Whats incomprehensible language to some is very comprehensible to others, ones mans rubbish is another mans treasure.

Each to their own, what makes perfect sense to me is in no need of being checked for approval, other than my own direct actual experience.





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TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 12:58 pm
If saddens me that you cannot see the inherent nihilism in your position.

It makes me laugh that you cannot see there is no such thing as nihilism, and what you see as nihilism is the complete opposite of what you only think and believe it is.

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Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:02 pm Each to their own, what makes perfect sense to me is in no need of being checked for approval, other than my own direct actual experience.

What makes 'perfect sense' to you is not real. By your very own standards for 'realness'

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:07 am The real is silent, the illusion is the conceptualisation of the silent.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:04 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:02 pm Each to their own, what makes perfect sense to me is in no need of being checked for approval, other than my own direct actual experience.

What makes 'perfect sense' to you is not real.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 11:07 am The real is silent, the illusion is the conceptualisation of the silent.

A real illusion...so what?

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:05 pm A real illusion...so what?

So nothing - you are still in the cave of metaphysics.

It doesn't matter how you label your thoughts, feelings and experiences. What matters is how well they serve you in practice e.g when you get out of the metaphysical cave.

TimeSeeker wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:14 pm

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Mon Oct 08, 2018 1:05 pm A real illusion...so what?

So nothing - you are still in the cave of metaphysics.

It doesn't matter how you label your thoughts, feelings and experiences. What matters is how well they serve you in practice e.g when you get out of the metaphysical cave.

Like I said, I am not going to argue with you, for what you believe is your own personal stuff, but its not mine.

I'm not an alien or a beggar in my own kingdom...I'll leave you to have the last word.

I'm not going to be discussing this any further with VA either..there's no point in talking to a wall, unless one likes hearing the sound of their own echo through eternity.

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