Nothing happens in your brain.

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Dontaskme wrote: Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:04 pm So when it come down to our individual human consciousness, we see that the brain is more like a satellite dish receiving information from the field of consciousness through the mind which then directs the brain of what signals to send into the body.
This is a description of the philosophical zombie.
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commonsense wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:10 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:04 pm So when it come down to our individual human consciousness, we see that the brain is more like a satellite dish receiving information from the field of consciousness through the mind which then directs the brain of what signals to send into the body.
This is a description of the philosophical zombie.
I concur.
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Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:05 am
commonsense wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:10 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:04 pm So when it come down to our individual human consciousness, we see that the brain is more like a satellite dish receiving information from the field of consciousness through the mind which then directs the brain of what signals to send into the body.
This is a description of the philosophical zombie.
I concur.
Consciousness is unconscious...it’s nuetral....no such thing as a PZ out there in reality, you concur there is...without proof or evidence...you are a believer yet condemn believers.

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Dontaskme wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:26 am
Veritas Aequitas wrote: Wed Oct 17, 2018 5:05 am
commonsense wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:10 pm

This is a description of the philosophical zombie.
I concur.
Consciousness is unconscious...it’s nuetral....no such thing as a PZ out there in reality, you concur there is...without proof or evidence...you are a believer yet condemn believers.
Btw, are you familiar with the 500 Pound Gorilla in the Room Experiment;
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJG698U2Mvo

You are caught in a similar situation which is why you are unable to understand what is normal.

I have given you loads of explanation why you are caught within a whirlpool of illusions that deflect you away from reality. I don't anticipate you can escape this whirlpool of delusion. Fortunately your delusion is benign rather than malignant as in those within TROP.
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Consciousness is unconscious.Mind is on reflection - an aspect of consciousness, a mirror image of the imageless.

Identification with the image is the delusion.

Images are fleeting, nothing to grab hold of. While consciousness (invisible mirror) is unchanging, nothing to grab hold of.

Grabbing hold of what cannot be grabbed is delusional.

Divine knowledge is realised, not taught.

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What is meant to happen, albeit illusory, will happen. Man is not the doer. Word and mind cannot access the Absolute One.

The moving in any moment is instinct and is manifested by the intelligence in life and is neither done by man nor by his brain.

Life is a singular unitary movement.

There is no you to know you have a brain.

All knowledge informs the illusory nature of reality. Knowing is the Absolute - ONE with the knowing.

Wisdom reveals that knowing is not done in the moment because life is only moving in the moment. Wisdom also reveals that the intelligence in life manifests the moving and man does not make the moving in the moment happen, because man does not make the moment in life.

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My mantra is the same as yours, but you left some parts out.
Dontaskme wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 9:28 am What is meant to happen, albeit illusory, will happen. Man is not the doer. Word and mind cannot access the Absolute One. And what is not meant to happen will not happen no matter how inillusory its illusions may be. Man is the done who has been undone. Word cannot access mind as mind cannot access word.

The moving in any moment is instinct and is manifested by the intelligence in life and is neither done by man nor by his brain. Only the brain can be done by man in his undoing, which is the seeing in sight, the hearing in sound, and the ever absent goal in the objective view of real reality.

Life is a singular unitary movement. But the moving in the moment makes movement momentary before it can become a single unit. Therefore it is dichotomously bipolar in all known directions but not for unknown paths.

There is no you to know you have a brain. Therefore the brain cannot know there is no you.

All knowledge informs the illusory nature of reality. Knowing is the Absolute - ONE with the knowing. No one can know this without |0-1|. This is the true illusion that clouds the vision into moments of movement.

Wisdom reveals that knowing is not done in the moment because life is only moving in the moment. Wisdom also reveals that the intelligence in life manifests the moving and man does not make the moving in the moment happen, because man does not make the moment in life. This is obvious.
'nuf said.

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Dontaskme wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 5:26 am Consciousness is unconscious...it’s nuetral....no such thing as a PZ out there in reality, you concur there is...without proof or evidence...you are a believer yet condemn believers.
Consciousness is to unconscious as fullness is to empty.

No one concurred with the notion that a philosophical zombie exists in reality.

Hypotheticals are hypothetical so that without proof or evidence one can yet conceptualize them.

You are one who states that someone is a believer who condemns believers without offering any supporting statements.
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Dontaskme wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 6:42 am Consciousness is unconscious.Mind is on reflection - an aspect of consciousness, a mirror image of the imageless.

Identification with the image is the delusion.

Images are fleeting, nothing to grab hold of. While consciousness (invisible mirror) is unchanging, nothing to grab hold of.

Grabbing hold of what cannot be grabbed is delusional.

Divine knowledge is realised, not taught.
More mere mindless mental muddle.
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commonsense wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:01 pm
No one concurred with the notion that a philosophical zombie exists in reality.

Hypotheticals are hypothetical so that without proof or evidence one can yet conceptualize them.

You are one who states that someone is a believer who condemns believers without offering any supporting statements.

So what are you actually saying then?

You responded to something that you read and then interpreted that reading as being a description of a Philosphical Zombie.

I'm just saying that the mind that conjures up an image of some thing as it is conceived ..will not make any sense to it unless the belief is there also.

So what was the PZ interjection supposed to mean? You did not really specify did you, you just dropped it in and left. I have no idea what a PZ has anything to do with this topic?

Logic shows me that to percieve an image in your mind is to conceptualise and at the same time actualise it into existence, even though its just an abstract idea. And the thing is,the mind is doing this all the time, its perceiving images upon the screen of imageless awareness to be actual when in reality actuality is neutral, it has no image of itself, it has no mind to receive an image, except as perceived in this conception, aka a mirror image, a mirage believed to be real.





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commonsense wrote: Thu Oct 18, 2018 8:01 pm
You are one who states that someone is a believer who condemns believers without offering any supporting statements.
No I was responding to Veritas assumptions that there is such an entity called a believer in God, he has clearly made that point many times that there is a someone here that believes in God he calls this believer a Theist.

Veritas then concurred with your notion of a PZ ..to concur with such a notion is to believe.

This is the problem, the mind is the believer, and its the master deceiver.. so what I'm pointing out to Veritas is..what difference does it make whether there is belief in a God or in a PZ?

According to Veritas, some beliefs are allowed, but not others, like his belief in an empirical I...however, all this belief makes no difference in the grand scheme of things because without belief there is no movie, full stop...the movie will only ever be a dream anyway. There is nothing in reality that resembles an image conjured up by the mind, is all I'm saying. There is no such thing as a concept existing anywhere in reality separate from the perceiver, every concept is just an image of the imageless. There is nothing behind the image, its all the ONE light.

Just as there are no real characters within the movie that is playing on the cinema screen. Only the screen is real, the images are temporal appearances of the imageless, like dreams coming and going. You are the unnamed imageless unchanging ONE in which the dream is arising.

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commonsense wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:10 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:04 pm So when it come down to our individual human consciousness, we see that the brain is more like a satellite dish receiving information from the field of consciousness through the mind which then directs the brain of what signals to send into the body.
This is a description of the philosophical zombie.
I just wanted to point out that your sentence describes the Philosophical Zombie. There was no interpretation at all, just the observation that you described something that has no brain (which is a little ironic since the OP is about the brain).
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commonsense wrote: Fri Oct 19, 2018 10:09 pm
commonsense wrote: Tue Oct 16, 2018 6:10 pm
Dontaskme wrote: Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:04 pm So when it come down to our individual human consciousness, we see that the brain is more like a satellite dish receiving information from the field of consciousness through the mind which then directs the brain of what signals to send into the body.
This is a description of the philosophical zombie.
I just wanted to point out that your sentence describes the Philosophical Zombie. There was no interpretation at all, just the observation that you described something that has no brain (which is a little ironic since the OP is about the brain).
Thanks for the clarification.

Yes it is kind of ironic in the sense that the brain has no awareness it is braining.

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Looking for consciousness in the brain is like looking in the radio for the announcer.

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Dontaskme wrote: Sat Oct 06, 2018 3:22 pm Gary Schwartz, PhD, Professor of Psychology, Neurology, Psychiatry, Medicine and Surgery.

''If you follow where our research is going in our lab and other labs, it leads us to the conclusion that we are all interconnected through our consciousness and energy; therefore, we need to become conscious of this and transform our consciousness so we can take more responsibility for the effects that we are having''.


We have moved from the belief in the universe being a great big clockwork machine, with human beings as purely physical individual machines made of physical parts, to a quantum interconnected universe full of energy and information, and where human beings radiate their emotional and mental energy and information out into the world.

Once scientists were able to detect and explore the subatomic world—the realm of energy and information fields—the world not only saw the rise of a new scientific paradigm, but it was profoundly changed across the board.

He is not alone, thinkers and scientists past and present offer the same insight.

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Interesting that you should quote Schwartz. You'd be better served by referencing "The Power of the Schwartz," from Mel Brook's "Spaceballs."
Gary Schwartz is a mindless, unimaginative, title-monger. I guess that his string of professorial titles is what impressed you. You've been conned. I would not trust that self-titled "Professor of Medicine and Surgery" to apply a Band-Aid.

"Professor" Gary Schwartz is a hanger-on based in Tucson who connected with a marginal healing movement, which has considerable value on its own merits, but Schwartz contributed nothing to that movement. He's an idiot and a jackass, a mindless leech feeding on the ideas of smarter people, or pretending to understand them. His goal in life appears to be that he wants to be regarded as an authority of some stuff, but he doesn't know jack shit and has not explored anything deeper than his lower colon.

If you want someone interesting to quote, try Sam Harris or Jordan Peterson.

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