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Oh, and here I thought you were just having a giggle. Now I'm not so certain.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:05 am Oh, and here I thought you were just having a giggle.

i welcome laughs personally, but not in this matter.

we are talking about what is knowable, a concept i find serious.

i do not find Solipsism laughable, but again, i'm here for discussion - even IF with myself/at my self-expense - if you find Solipsism laughable, I'm fully willing to partake upon such a discussion Sir.

gaffo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:09 am

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:05 am Oh, and here I thought you were just having a giggle.

i welcome laughs personally, but not in this matter.

we are talking about what is knowable, a concept i find serious.

i do not find Solipsism laughable, but again, i'm here for discussion - even IF with myself/at my self-expense - if you find Solipsism laughable, I'm fully willing to partake upon such a discussion Sir.

Why bother. You seem to know it all already. Though you can't seem to decide if its fact or fiction.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:16 am

gaffo wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:09 am

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:05 am Oh, and here I thought you were just having a giggle.

i welcome laughs personally, but not in this matter.

we are talking about what is knowable, a concept i find serious.

i do not find Solipsism laughable, but again, i'm here for discussion - even IF with myself/at my self-expense - if you find Solipsism laughable, I'm fully willing to partake upon such a discussion Sir.

Why bother. You seem to know it all already. Though you can't seem to decide if its fact or fiction.

oh come on. lets talk!

i only proclaim what is self evident, i in on way have all the answers Sir.

do you not think Solipsism is self evident?

Nobody has a clue about what solipsism is. Except me.

If I was a male theist I could run for POTUS.

Note;

7. The Incoherence of Solipsism
https://www.iep.utm.edu/solipsis/#H7

Greta wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 3:48 am Nobody has a clue about what solipsism is. Except me.

If I was a male theist I could run for POTUS.

i doubt if you are a female theist (are you?)

why throw sex into it?

i have nothing against theists.

one's character is outside of theism/sex.

and i think i know your character enough from being here to say i think you would have no wish to be POTUS

regardless of your theism or sex.

am i correct in my assumption madam?

No sense in explaining satire - if people don't get it immediately then the moment is lost and any attempt to retrieve that moment results in complete distortion of intent and meaning.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:48 am Yeah, I played with the concept of solipsism in my youth, for fun. But the weight of external forces severely limits this view.

Knower, knowing and known is one.

There is no knower without anything to know. There is no known without a knower.
The knower and known exist in the same moment here now.
There is no I that knows. The I is known by the unknown I herenow, nowhere nowhere.

Right now here, there is unknown knowing.

No one to claim the knowing.. as a claimer is just another concept known inseparable from this immediate unknown knowing of the known.

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Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Mon Aug 13, 2018 5:38 pm Anyone else? DAM doesn't exist independently of me.

(Actually, he's just blocked for being a solipsist.)

You really don't get it do you?

You are, but you are not a label.

Labels (concepts) are identity...real reality doesn't have an identity, this false identity ( I am a solipsist) is a belief artificially superimposed upon real reality...it's a phantom.

You are without doubt or error, but you are not what thought thinks you are...the labeled you is the imposter.

There is no one to say there is nothing existing outside of my own mind, for the mind doesn't belong to any one. There is only mind.

This is nonduality, and it's very hard to grasp, because the mind that is trying to understand itself is a phantom...it's a constant dilemma.

But not for those who know how to unblock the blockage of their own mentally created avatar.

It's tricky.

The ego self has a head that got too big, so big it blocks out the sun.

The son, aka infinite awareness, is the only authentic self here....This authentic self cannot reveal or show up, if it is being blocked, so only upon removal of that blockage are you able to show up...showing up to your own show makes the authentic one redundant while the blockage remains.

In it's refusal to unblock...it remains, in it's refusal to be made redundant.

So in effect there is no room in here for two of us...so one will have to step aside to allow the other to shine...that's just how it works.

At the end of the day, no one is ever made redundant in the context of having some unusual or extra part or feature. For wholeness oneness reigns ever supreme.

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You've heard of onychocryptosis. Well consider solipsism analogically as an ingrown mentality with its own style of infection as demonstrated publicly in philosophy forums. If you think your IQ is too high consider joining one for an IQ haircut.

Dontaskme wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 8:39 am

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Tue Aug 14, 2018 2:48 am Yeah, I played with the concept of solipsism in my youth, for fun. But the weight of external forces severely limits this view.

Knower, knowing and known is one.

There is no knower without anything to know. There is no known without a knower.
The knower and known exist in the same moment here now.
There is no I that knows. The I is known by the unknown I herenow, nowhere nowhere.

Right now here, there is unknown knowing.

No one to claim the knowing.. as a claimer is just another concept known inseparable from this immediate unknown knowing of the known.

...I'm getting dizzy! I get the feeling knowing everything means knowing nothing and knowing nothing means knowing everything. Whenever I manage to combine the two, I'm back to normal when the problem starts over again!

I figure it's best to be in a state where the other one doesn't exist.

Dubious wrote: ↑Wed Aug 15, 2018 10:45 pm
I figure it's best to be in a state where the other one doesn't exist.

Well you wouldn't know you were in that state where the other one doesn't exist... if not for the other...

Here we have...one state is the not-knowing, and the other state is the known.
In essence without me there is no you, or without you there is no me.

But what is this apparent duality? ....let me try and explain...

The external world is the mirror through which the seer sees/knows itself...that's how the invisible eye sees itself, the external world is inseparable from that which is looking at it. This is obvious.


In this we can see it appears there is a 'me' in here looking at an objective world out there...the apparent separation of here and there is the illusion, the looking and the looked upon is all one unitary action.

There is no one without the other one reflecting back at itself.

There is no one because there is no other than one..the reflector and reflection are one and the same [ no thing ] Now.

Lets not forget we are trying to point to the silent one by filling it up with words...and words are just sound. (it's an apparent contradiction, albeit illusory) the one cannot point to itself just as an arrow cannot point directly to itself. The one becomes known in it's reflected image ..the mirror image of itself. This self is all there is, it's not the reflected image that is the self, (concept) the self is the reflector of the concept.

No thing (person) is being a solipsist ...solipsist is a concept known ...by no thing.

No things have ever been seen...they are KNOWN as images of the imageless, images are empty fullness.

If in the state of witnessing you ask yourself:
''Who am I''?
The answer comes at once;
Though it is wordless and silent. ''

~ Nisargadatta Maharaji.

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What you are is not a concept, but the knower of the concept. The concept is not the knower, the concept is known by the only knowing there is. One with the knowing...and it's not even with it, it is it.



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