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Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:20 am Because New Zealand is a reasonable democracy, in comparison. It's hardly Saudi Arabia or Iran, or some other autocratic shithole.

I didn't think NZ boycotted Israel. Perhaps he's referring to that creepy twit 'Lorde'.

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:29 am

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:20 am Because New Zealand is a reasonable democracy, in comparison. It's hardly Saudi Arabia or Iran, or some other autocratic shithole.

I didn't think NZ boycotted Israel. Perhaps he's referring to that creepy twit 'Lorde'.

The singer? She's too young to know doodle about the Middle East conflict. What she knows about it is from the Internet and social media.

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:34 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:29 am

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:20 am Because New Zealand is a reasonable democracy, in comparison. It's hardly Saudi Arabia or Iran, or some other autocratic shithole.

I didn't think NZ boycotted Israel. Perhaps he's referring to that creepy twit 'Lorde'.

The singer? She's too young to know doodle about the Middle East conflict. What she knows about it is from the Internet and social media.

I know that. She doesn't know much about music either

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:40 am

Dalek Prime wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:34 am

vegetariantaxidermy wrote: ↑Thu Mar 01, 2018 1:29 am

I didn't think NZ boycotted Israel. Perhaps he's referring to that creepy twit 'Lorde'.

The singer? She's too young to know doodle about the Middle East conflict. What she knows about it is from the Internet and social media.

I know that. She doesn't know much about music either

Honestly never heard her music, but it wouldn't surprise me.

So, here we have it, Veggie is a racist who supports racism against the Maori. Just think how racist the people of New Zealand are? They observed, through a study with a too small sample size, a seeming genetic oddity in Maori. Now, what would that mean? Nothing. One would have absolutely no way of knowing what that genetic difference resulted in. Yet, the New Zealanders immediately jumped to the conclusion that this explained why the Maori were so violent. That's called racism. Because of racist attitudes towards the Maori, the New Zealanders simply jumped to a conclusion that something seen in their DNA must be the reason why the Maori were so violent. Since Chinese people have an even higher incidence of this gene, and no one would jump to the conclusion that this explains why the Chinese are violent, because the Chinese are not stereotyped as being a violent people, one can then see the racism involved in this claim by New Zealanders.

In fact, Veggie even claimed they were all cannibals. Now, think about the actual evidence of cannibalism by the Maori? The people they supposedly ate, what is the proof? In the vast majority of cases, there would have been no witnesses, and yet, no evidence is needed for these claims, because once one demonizes a group of people through racism, one does not need any evidence.

But it is interesting how immediately people come to the defense of the institutionalized racism in New Zealand, while they readily adopt racist lies against Israel. How come the double standards? It's called anti-Semitism. If you obsess over Israel, and you spend more time thinking about Israel than the bullshit taking place in all other nations, then you are an anti-Semite, plain and simple.

Seriously, Veggie, just how much institutionalized racism must there be in New Zealand for geneticists in New Zealand to automatically assume that a genetic variation among the Maori had to be related to violence? Essentially, an entire nation's science body went ape-shit racist. Had Israel done something similar with respect to Arabs, the world would have immediately burned synagogues across the globe, assaulted Jews, and called for their murder. That even happened in Sweden just because Trump said he was going to move the US embassy to Jerusalem. Yet, the same people who endorse hatred against Jews, can't resist twisting and distorting the actual facts to come up with some cover-story of how the New Zealanders did not actually subject a local population, stole their land, and to this day, dehumanize them. The very claims made against Israel could be far more easily made against New Zealand. But, hey, since New Zealand is not a Jewish state, continue ahead with your racism ---- the world will obviously give you a free pass. The same with Australians, Japanese, Chinese, Hungarians, British, etc., etc. As long as one isn't a Jewish nation, engage in all the institutionalized racism you want, no one will ever boycott you.

Umm. Ok.

It's not morally OK to be a racist like you, but it's OK among the anti-Semites of the world.

Of course, morality is lost on you.

Suppose we prosecute Sam Hill for murder and someone comes along and says "Why aren't you prosecuting Jim Smith for murder too? He is murder was way worse that Sam's."

The answer is that human justice is imperfect. Should you absolve Sam of murder by calling his prosecution "discrimination"?

The situation with Israel needs to be considered on its individual merits. Bringing New Zealand into it is unhelpful.

wisdomlover wrote: ↑Fri Mar 02, 2018 10:54 pm Suppose we prosecute Sam Hill for murder and someone comes along and says "Why aren't you prosecuting Jim Smith for murder too? He is murder was way worse that Sam's."

The answer is that human justice is imperfect. Should you absolve Sam of murder by calling his prosecution "discrimination"?

The situation with Israel needs to be considered on its individual merits. Bringing New Zealand into it is unhelpful.

Then why even dignify it with an answer? He's only trolling. He admitted he knows nothing about the place so he's obviously googled 'racist NZ' or something like that. You go by the laws of a country and general character, so there's no chance of him knowing anything about either (since apparently Americans don't spend 'more than two seconds in two decades' thinking about it, if that, and only if they've heard of it).

You cannot compare the fate of Maoris with the fate of Australian Aboriginals or Native Americans. The Maoris were strong enough to gain a much stronger foothold into NZ's modern societies than the others, each largely wiped out by displacement and disease.

Greta wrote: ↑Sat Mar 03, 2018 1:05 am You cannot compare the fate of Maoris with the fate of Australian Aboriginals or Native Americans. The Maoris were strong enough to gain a much stronger foothold into NZ's modern societies than the others, each largely wiped out by displacement and disease.

And what is it, precisely that is currently responsible for the slow and very ugly to watch suicide of the Australian aboriginal race?

Science Fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:12 pm
Just imagine what the uproar

sadly i see too little uproar over the last Apartheid State - Israel.

AIPAC the best $upport money can buy in American Governmental Policy,

Science Fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:12 pm would be if Israeli scientists claimed that there was a "Palestinian Arab terrorist gene," which was why it was justified in attacking Palestinians?

https://www.haaretz.com/1.5088576

https://www.jta.org/2017/06/13/news-opi ... r-2-op-eds

Science Fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 8:12 pm farce to take place? So, the world's hypocrisy is duly noted. You'll excuse the rampant racism in New Zealand, while fabricating stories against Israeli Jews.

cute - so the illegal 50 year occupation of the Westbank by Israel is a "fabricated story" for you.

you had to have voted for Trump.

Science Fan wrote: ↑Tue Feb 27, 2018 11:11 pm
In fact, when I debate anti-Semites

only an asshat troll equates criticism of an Apartied State as an Anti-Semite.

Arabs are Semites too btw.

stop trolling troll.