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Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Sun Aug 06, 2017 9:08 pm It doesn't really seem like there are a whole lot of theists on this site. Am I wrong?

bobevenson wrote: ↑Sat Aug 05, 2017 10:04 pm Please, ascribing anthropomorphic qualities to a God by assuming he would have the slightest interest in being worshipped is fatuous to say the least.

I don't actually have a problem with that since it usually comes from a source like their holy book, but I think there are some basic concepts which can be shown to necessarily contradict those qualities. Like the idea of communicating with a god who already knows what you're about to say.

There is no such thing as a theist

Just like Cinderellas biological father

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Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:59 pm
Why do you think worship is such a common concept in organized religions? If you're a theist what is your defense of it?

What makes you think it needs a defense?

Reflex wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:11 pm

Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:59 pm
Why do you think worship is such a common concept in organized religions? If you're a theist what is your defense of it?

What makes you think it needs a defense?

It's the Religion of ''Me'' that seeks to defend itself.

That's the only Religion in town.

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Reflex wrote: ↑Mon Aug 07, 2017 7:11 pm

Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Mon Jul 31, 2017 9:59 pm
Why do you think worship is such a common concept in organized religions? If you're a theist what is your defense of it?

What makes you think it needs a defense?

I gave my reason in the OP why I think worship doesn't make sense in the context of an omniscient god, you're free to make a counterpoint to that.

Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:02 pm
I gave my reason in the OP why I think worship doesn't make sense....

So what if it doesn't?

Reflex wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:52 am

Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:02 pm
I gave my reason in the OP why I think worship doesn't make sense....

So what if it doesn't?

Then it is not the logical thing to do, and you shouldn't do it, even if god does exist.

Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:10 pm

Reflex wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:52 am

Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Tue Aug 08, 2017 11:02 pm
I gave my reason in the OP why I think worship doesn't make sense....

So what if it doesn't?

Then it is not the logical thing to do, and you shouldn't do it, even if god does exist.

Why not? What has logic got to do with it? If the worshipper finds it beneficial to his or her well-being, why not? Perhaps worship is the only thing the worshipper feels they can offer God in gratitude for their existence.

Reflex wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:22 pm

Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2017 7:10 pm

Reflex wrote: ↑Wed Aug 09, 2017 3:52 am

So what if it doesn't?

Then it is not the logical thing to do, and you shouldn't do it, even if god does exist.

Why not? What has logic got to do with it? If the worshipper finds it beneficial to his or her well-being, why not? Perhaps worship is the only thing the worshipper feels they can offer God in gratitude for their existence.

Well, that sort of fits into the second reason I gave, which is to say that it's not really about worshiping god at all.

It's likely a genetic imperative.

The God-Worshiping Gene.

The main benefit of worship would seem to be the act in itself. It's a positive behaviour.

If one is feeling worshipful and profoundly grateful for their existence, that would seem more pleasant and healthful than the converse, at least. The object of worship would seem to be a conduit and, barring extremities, the type of conduit for worshipful emotions probably doesn't much matter.

bobevenson wrote: ↑Fri Aug 25, 2017 8:03 pm The point to worshipping God is nature's way of weeding out evolutionary failures.

What do you mean by that?

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:39 am It's likely a genetic imperative.

The God-Worshiping Gene.

What leads you to believe that?

Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:55 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:39 am It's likely a genetic imperative.

The God-Worshiping Gene.

What leads you to believe that?

Because separated twins, unbeknownst to one another, leading similar parallel lives, is a strong indication that biology controls much of what folks think is choice in life.

Walker wrote: ↑Sun Aug 27, 2017 8:32 pm

Sir-Sister-of-Suck wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 9:55 pm

Walker wrote: ↑Sat Aug 26, 2017 2:39 am It's likely a genetic imperative.

The God-Worshiping Gene.

What leads you to believe that?

Because separated twins, unbeknownst to one another, leading similar parallel lives, is a strong indication that biology controls much of what folks think is choice in life.

That's actually more or less a myth. Twins usually develop very different personalities, even when raised in the same environment. I see the point you're trying to make, but what's your evidence that there is 'genetic' imperative? Just because there's evidence for one thing doesn't mean another thing works the same way.

I'm not surprised.