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Skip wrote: Of course, plausibility was never the bible's strongest suit.

Just like Divine intervention is never a possibility for those in denial.

thedoc wrote:

Skip wrote: Of course, plausibility was never the bible's strongest suit.

Just like Divine intervention is never a possibility for those in denial.

So now you theists know the mind of god as well! One would think it's precisely those most in denial who are most in need and amenable to divine intervention! What does the story of Saul/Paul convey to your brilliant theistic mind? The sheer hubris of what "you claim to know" being in tune with god's motives

Your statement is further proof of all the demeaning and disgusting ways you attempt to raise yourselves above others. If your god is equal to what you write may you all live in the same septic tank.

Dubious wrote: So now you theists know the mind of god as well!

Who else could know it? It's their god (each god, each set of true believers), their story, their sandbox.

Skip wrote:

Dubious wrote: So now you theists know the mind of god as well!

Who else could know it? It's their god (each god, each set of true believers), their story, their sandbox.

Good point! Their limitations also being "their" god's limitations. No matter what we do or how we think we ALWAYS reflect OUR limitations. We expect time, if permitted, to slowly erode SOME of those limitations.

I'll drink to that!
Actually, we didn't watch JCS this afternoon; we opted for Monty Python and the Holy Grail .
When your brain has many growing lacunae in it, old familiar gags are comforting - if only because you remember them...
...unlike today's date or where you parked the car.

There was a good TV programme about the march from Selma to Montgomery. There are more Christs than Jesus of Nazareth.

There was a good BBC one about Karl Marx, as well.

Like all Christs, their work is long, hard is painful and its effects can be undone in an hour.
This is the advantage of reactionaries over progressives : it's easier to wreck than to build.

Dubious wrote: So now you theists know the mind of god as well!

Skip wrote:Who else could know it? It's their god

What do I know to be TRUE for a FACT.
How do I know I know?
Who (or what) is it that knows?

Is there a world outside your knowledge? Can you go beyond what you know? You may postulate a world beyond the mind, but it will remain a concept, unproved and unprovable. Your experience is your proof, and it is valid for you only. Who else can have your experience, when the other person is only as real as he appears in your experience?

Dontaskme wrote:

Dubious wrote: So now you theists know the mind of god as well!

Skip wrote:Who else could know it? It's their god

What do I know to be TRUE for a FACT.
How do I know I know?
Who (or what) is it that knows?

Besides, if the mind and will of God were unknowable, you'd have to burn people at random, or draw stoning victims by lot, coz you couldn't tell the witches and blasphemers from the righteous.

Skip wrote: Besides, if the mind and will of God were unknowable, you'd have to burn people at random, or draw stoning victims by lot, coz you couldn't tell the witches and blasphemers from the righteous.

Infinitely recursive - Nothing, knows everything. Everything, knows nothing.

It's all pure make-belief.

But what about Pain we say?

Realise that Pain happens, but it's not happening to any one - it's happening to Everything, and not one single identified thing infinitely recursive, so hard to tell what's one thing and what isn't, if one thing is known then all things are known.

Dontaskme wrote:

Infinitely recursive - Nothing, knows everything. Everything, knows nothing.

It's all pure make-belief.

But what about Pain we say?

Realise that Pain happens, but it's not happening to any one - it's happening to Everything, and not one single identified thing infinitely recursive, so hard to tell what's one thing and what isn't, if one thing is known then all things are known.

You should hook up with Walker. With any luck you would neutralise each other.

Dontaskme wrote: But what about Pain we say?

Realise that Pain happens, but it's not happening to any one - it's happening to Everything, and not one single identified thing infinitely recursive, so hard to tell what's one thing and what isn't, if one thing is known then all things are known.

Wrong!
It's mostly, for days now, in my third left toe - the double-wide one I broke stumbling, barefoot, on a patio stone in the dark.
The patio stone suffered barely a twinge.

Harbal wrote: You should hook up with Walker. With any luck you would neutralise each other.

Or **gasp** reproduce.

Skip wrote: Wrong!
It's mostly, for days now, in my third left toe - the double-wide one I broke stumbling, barefoot, on a patio stone in the dark.
The patio stone suffered barely a twinge.

So what's feeling the pain? ...you or the toe?

Dontaskme wrote:

Skip wrote: Wrong!
It's mostly, for days now, in my third left toe - the double-wide one I broke stumbling, barefoot, on a patio stone in the dark.
The patio stone suffered barely a twinge.

So what's feeling the pain? ...you or the toe?

I think it starts with the toe bitterly complaining of injury to the brain which makes the brain very unhappy...and thus pain is felt!

and many choice words ascend to the heavens