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thedoc wrote:The final scene of "The Days of Wine and Roses",

As a parent and grandparent, I can't understand anyone who would choose booze over their child.

Jack Lemmon was a frequent over-actor and he had some funny moments in the movie, like walking into a plate glass window while carrying roses. But that Lee Remick could shine those blue eyes.

In the beginning Lee Remick followed Jack Lemmon into hell because he asked her to, each wanted to please the other, and at first hell is fun.

Later in the movie, she asked him to join her in hell, and without the child he would have done that. The allure was strong.

In the end, the mother saw that her husband was sober and a better influence for the child. She did not wake the child because she did not want to be remembered as she looked, in case she never came back. Her child’s peace of mind was more important to her than existing in her child’s life as the destructive role model that she knew she was. To overcome the demon requires more self-esteem than drunks, who are extremely negative people, normally have when alone, which is what encourages the vice.

Imagine the true story of the immigrant father with not one child but two, and he has to work to survive, so the authorities take both young children and put them in the county home, forcing him to return to drink, only now he and the wife are bitter and cannot be together anymore, a fresh hell. Life can be cruel.

Joseph Cotton as Daddy looked stern and hard to please. Fictional Lee likely had issues with that during the fictional formative years.

When you see that choice is an illusion such folks become comprehensible, which rarely inhibits blame until all the blame is gone.

Walker wrote:

thedoc wrote:The final scene of "The Days of Wine and Roses",

As a parent and grandparent, I can't understand anyone who would choose booze over their child.

Jack Lemmon was a frequent over-actor and he had some funny moments in the movie, like walking into a plate glass window while carrying roses. But that Lee Remick could shine those blue eyes.
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It was jack's own idea to pick up the flowers in that scene, walking into the glass and get the flower heads snapped off in the lift.
I'd not call it over-acting, but a conscious effort to offer the audience a massive contrast between the Chaplinesque humour and the tragicomic end of his struggle.

Hobbes' Choice wrote: It was jack's own idea to pick up the flowers in that scene, walking into the glass and get the flower heads snapped off in the lift.
I'd not call it over-acting, but a conscious effort to offer the audience a massive contrast between the Chaplinesque humour and the tragicomic end of his struggle.

He didn’t overact that one. That scene is brilliant. He’s a happy man, oblivious to some things.

He’s most desperate in Glengarry Glenn Ross, characteristic of Lemmon wrapped a little too tight. That movie also has an amazing motivational speech by Alec Baldwin, the current farcical face of Trump.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GrhSLf0I-HM

Tinker Tailor Soldier Spy
When Jim ( Mark Strong) shoots Bill ( Colin Firth ) To the sound of 'La Mer'.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Walker wrote:

thedoc wrote:The final scene of "The Days of Wine and Roses",

As a parent and grandparent, I can't understand anyone who would choose booze over their child.

Jack Lemmon was a frequent over-actor and he had some funny moments in the movie, like walking into a plate glass window while carrying roses. But that Lee Remick could shine those blue eyes.
.

It was jack's own idea to pick up the flowers in that scene, walking into the glass and get the flower heads snapped off in the lift.
I'd not call it over-acting, but a conscious effort to offer the audience a massive contrast between the Chaplinesque humour and the tragicomic end of his struggle.

Yes. Jack Lemmon was a wonderful actor. He could be hilarious, as well as restrained and enormously sympathetic. Robin Williams was like that, but not quite in the same league. As for Baldwin's speech, I find American-style 'motivational' speeches unbearable at the best of times.
I didn't know this skit was based on a real movie scene:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GW22sAElpE

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

TSBU wrote:Enemy at the gates sacrifice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93tR96egox4
Scent of a woman (I haven't seen the movie, only this part XD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPSzV4IbwSg

Treat yourself. Buy the DVD.

Less than two quid.

The scent of a woman is great.

I won't pay for that, I don't need it to feel great with myself.

TSBU wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

TSBU wrote:Enemy at the gates sacrifice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93tR96egox4
Scent of a woman (I haven't seen the movie, only this part XD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPSzV4IbwSg

Treat yourself. Buy the DVD.

Less than two quid.

The scent of a woman is great.

I won't pay for that, I don't need it to feel great with myself.

Well Al Pacino's hammy acting and ugly voice certainly aren't to everyone's taste.

The Nobel Prize for literature has yet to be corrupted.

Elmer Gantry passes the collection plate.
http://www.tcm.com/mediaroom/video/2217 ... ermon.html

Walker wrote:

thedoc wrote:The final scene of "The Days of Wine and Roses",

As a parent and grandparent, I can't understand anyone who would choose booze over their child.

Jack Lemmon was a frequent over-actor and he had some funny moments in the movie, like walking into a plate glass window while carrying roses. But that Lee Remick could shine those blue eyes.

I saw the movie once, now It is difficult to even listen to the song, seeing the movie gave it an entirely different meaning. Sometime a song from a movie sounds one way by itself, but watch the movie and the meaning of the song changes. "Have Yourself a Merry little Christmas" is a song like that.

TSBU wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

TSBU wrote:Enemy at the gates sacrifice.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=93tR96egox4
Scent of a woman (I haven't seen the movie, only this part XD)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TPSzV4IbwSg

Treat yourself. Buy the DVD.

Less than two quid.

The scent of a woman is great.

I won't pay for that, I don't need it to feel great with myself.

Cheapskate!

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

TSBU wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Treat yourself. Buy the DVD.

Less than two quid.

The scent of a woman is great.

I won't pay for that, I don't need it to feel great with myself.

Well Al Pacino's hammy acting and ugly voice certainly aren't to everyone's taste.

I was worried about that when I first saw it "OHHHH HAAAA", but the film was so big it worked.

Every scene from both Kubrick's "Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb" and Monty Pythons "Life of Brian"

Nuff said

Or maybe not, as there's also Terry Gilliam. Oh! And the opening scene of Trainspotting, Oh! and Grosse Pointe Blank and Oh! ....

Arising_uk wrote:Every scene from both Kubrick's "Dr. Strangelove or: How I Learned to Stop Worrying and Love the Bomb" and Monty Pythons "Life of Brian"

Nuff said

Or maybe not, as there's also Terry Gilliam. Oh! And the opening scene of Trainspotting, Oh! and Grosse Pointe Blank and Oh! ....

Precious Bodily Fluids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

You can't fight in here this is the WarRoom.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UAeqVGP-GPM

Precious Bodily Fluids

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N1KvgtEnABY

HA!


The Master

https://youtu.be/Iw54-yDc6Jg

Joaquin Phoenix as Freddie Quell and Philip Seymour Hoffman as Lancaster Dodd. Sensational!

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

I agree, buy at the end of the day, he fails to go that final step into portraying Patton as the idiot that he was. Patton wanted to press on to Moscow. The world would have been a different place if he had done that, and either the official language of Europe would have been Russian, or Europe would have chosen to keep Russia its ally and the US would be an economic backwater.

They called Patton Blood and Guts....... our blood, his guts.