How can you blame Hitler?

[Walker]

Reality consists of growth and entropy. Some people generate more of one or the other (not always the usual suspects either). Someone has to be an extreme outlier - be they Gandhi or Hitler. A dirty job but, if the niche is there, someone is going to fill it.

Why blame the niche filler. Along with the lions and tigers, cockroaches fill niches, the fleas on rats do too and they’re only blamed within a narrow horizon. Inherent human rights that infringe on laws that are created with the intent of preserving society are a luxury of civilization easily abused, that is until inertia of the great ship shifts to bear upon the contagion. Never-the-less, autonomous individual rights do exist in principle and always will, even if a machine should someday focus the energy of the autonomous form. Thus, the genius of a constitution that transcends the vagaries of time, for when robots are programmed with morality.

[Greta]

Reality consists of growth and entropy. Some people generate more of one or the other (not always the usual suspects either). Someone has to be an extreme outlier - be they Gandhi or Hitler. A dirty job but, if the niche is there, someone is going to fill it.

Why blame the niche filler. Along with the lions and tigers, cockroaches fill niches, the fleas on rats do too and they’re only blamed within a narrow horizon. Inherent human rights that infringe on laws that are created with the intent of preserving society are a luxury of civilization easily abused, that is until inertia of the great ship shifts to bear upon the contagion. Never-the-less, autonomous individual rights do exist in principle and always will, even if a machine should someday focus the energy of the autonomous form. Thus, the genius of a constitution that transcends the vagaries of time, for when robots are programmed with morality.

Programmed with whose morality? I prefer my appliances to not hold moral stances. If I press a button or make a voice command, I hope the damn appliance does as asked

No matter what the species, each must had had an individual that was the biggest ever scourge (in humans, maybe Stalin?). That is just diversity and probabilities, probably plottable on a Bell Curve. Some will do the most killing, some do the least, with most in the middle.

I think we will see what human right are when put to the test as resource and environmental issues bite, placing ever more pressure on a volatile political situation. Based on election results in most places, it seems that the powers-that-be have decided to opt for the "hard landing" approach to growth - to simply push it as hard as possible until all the systems break down. For the record, I would have preferred an attempt to control the issue.

After Trump's appointments I finally accepted that the "soft landing" approach to climate change and degradation of once-arable land and fertile waters is a pipe dream. It can't happen now. I would not want to be in the Middle East, Africa, SE Asia, the Pacific islands or central America in the next few decades. The poor will be hit hardest.

[Walker]

Reality consists of growth and entropy. Some people generate more of one or the other (not always the usual suspects either). Someone has to be an extreme outlier - be they Gandhi or Hitler. A dirty job but, if the niche is there, someone is going to fill it.

Why blame the niche filler. Along with the lions and tigers, cockroaches fill niches, the fleas on rats do too and they’re only blamed within a narrow horizon. Inherent human rights that infringe on laws that are created with the intent of preserving society are a luxury of civilization easily abused, that is until inertia of the great ship shifts to bear upon the contagion. Never-the-less, autonomous individual rights do exist in principle and always will, even if a machine should someday focus the energy of the autonomous form. Thus, the genius of a constitution that transcends the vagaries of time, for when robots are programmed with morality.

Programmed with whose morality? I prefer my appliances to not hold moral stances. If I press a button or make a voice command, I hope the damn appliance does as asked

Whose morality? I think that over the long haul in all kinds of weather, it just may end up being the guy on the screen in the house, on the wall in the lounge, in the waiting room, where people congregate at the land or air transportation center, the intelligence programming your on-line buying preferences and the advertising on your personal communicator. The talking head, the one who tells us what to think. The one among the choices we must listen to without choice, because of conditioning to what sounds reasonable, but is not necessarily reasonable but perhaps just indignant, and often stridently so demanding do-overs.

No matter what the species, each must had had an individual that was the biggest ever scourge (in humans, maybe Stalin?). It's diversity and probabilities. Some do the most killing, some do the least, with most in the middle.

Most do done.

Since man is without choice, the imaginative implications that include as much of reality as possible, that pertain to being stuck in such a Stalin niche, with the intelligence of a human being, can scarcely be ignored.

[Greta]

Never-the-less, autonomous individual rights do exist in principle and always will, even if a machine should someday focus the energy of the autonomous form. Thus, the genius of a constitution that transcends the vagaries of time, for when robots are programmed with morality.

Programmed with whose morality? I prefer my appliances to not hold moral stances. If I press a button or make a voice command, I hope the damn appliance does as asked

The talking head, the one who tells us what to think. The one among the choices we must listen to without choice, because of conditioning to what sounds reasonable, but is not necessarily reasonable but perhaps just indignant, and often stridently so demanding do-overs.

The "talking head" could just as easily be Hitler or similar - a being compelled to feed manipulative polemic to others.

No matter what the species, each must had had an individual that was the biggest ever scourge (in humans, maybe Stalin?). It's diversity and probabilities. Some do the most killing, some do the least, with most in the middle.

Most do done.

Assuming a typo "none". To live is to kill, directly or indirectly. The society of which we are part, despite coyness, routinely makes decisions as to who shall live and who shall die (which is basically what a health budget is). We effectively kill the poor and animals so that we may prosper. That's just how it is. The trick is operating with a "light touch" - but of course those such as Hitler, Stalin and Mao are the opposite. The ultimate heavy touch. The "smash it all up and see what happens" approach. Today we know the result - rubble and pain.

Since man is without choice, the imaginative implications that include as much of reality as possible, that pertain to being stuck in such a Stalin niche, with the intelligence of a human being, can scarcely be ignored.

Well, they are outliers. Someone has to be the most psychopathically charismatic amongst us humans, just as someone must be the most empathetically annoying

[Walker]

None it is.

It's like water collecting at the lowest point. It still gets pumped out of the swamp to make the land habitable for humans. The water does what it must. The society does what it must. Eventually. Then society wins, until the next generation of illiterates.

Look what happened to Obama. Same propaganda now, but with a track record rather than hope bs, reduces him to caricature grasping for conspiracy theories to preserve a smidgen of credibility.

[Pluto]

Is his 'my struggle' online to read? Maybe we can find some blame there. I once ordered it from India but it never arrived. Apparently it's a bestseller there.

[Walker]

Is his 'my struggle' online to read? Maybe we can find some blame there. I once ordered it from India but it never arrived. Apparently it's a bestseller there.

There is nothing inspirational or meaningful about the struggles of losers, which are simply cautionary tales told to children of blame. For adults, the tales unfold as aspects of reality and the pitfalls on the stage are obvious, which is why people prefer houses of bricks over those of straw, if they have the means and the need.

[Pluto]

Hitler was a 'loser' then in your eyes?

[Walker]

Bingo. Prove otherwise, which isn’t a euphemism for ask questions.

[Greta]

It's like water collecting at the lowest point. It still gets pumped out of the swamp to make the land habitable for humans. The water does what it must. The society does what it must. Eventually. Then society wins, until the next generation of illiterates.

Look what happened to Obama. Same propaganda now, but with a track record rather than hope bs, reduces him to caricature grasping for conspiracy theories to preserve a smidgen of credibility.

You were going well until drifting into right wing polemic. I could say the same for GWB and Cheney's immoral incursion into the middle east or the Trump team's immoral and manipulative climate change denial. Obama is a saint by comparison.

Of course Russia intervened in the US election. It doesn't seem much different to the US's interference in numerous elections, including those in Australia in the 70s. This gaming of democracy happens plenty, with nations vigorously (unsurprisingly) pursuing their own national interests. The gaming occurs within societies too, ie. the media, lobbyists, planted internet agitators.

So what? These political issues are important to us little people, but trivial as per the existential scope of the OP. After all this, I agree with you that Hitler was a loser who was dealt a horrible hand in life. A miserable, frustrated mediocre man who got carried away, lucked it into power thanks to the German people's desperation at the time, proceeded to make a horrible mess of everything for a few years before being soundly defeated and then finally killed himself.

I don't see Hitler as being much different to a killer volcano, earthquake or meteor.

[TSBU]

[Walker]

It's like water collecting at the lowest point. It still gets pumped out of the swamp to make the land habitable for humans. The water does what it must. The society does what it must. Eventually. Then society wins, until the next generation of illiterates.

Look what happened to Obama. Same propaganda now, but with a track record rather than hope bs, reduces him to caricature grasping for conspiracy theories to preserve a smidgen of credibility.

You were going well until drifting into right wing polemic. I could say the same for GWB and Cheney's immoral incursion into the middle east or the Trump team's immoral and manipulative climate change denial. Obama is a saint by comparison.

Of course Russia intervened in the US election. It doesn't seem much different to the US's interference in numerous elections, including those in Australia in the 70s. This gaming of democracy happens plenty, with nations vigorously (unsurprisingly) pursuing their own national interests. The gaming occurs within societies too, ie. the media, lobbyists, planted internet agitators.

So what? These political issues are important to us little people, but trivial as per the existential scope of the OP. After all this, I agree with you that Hitler was a loser who was dealt a horrible hand in life. A miserable, frustrated mediocre man who got carried away, lucked it into power thanks to the German people's desperation at the time, proceeded to make a horrible mess of everything for a few years before being soundly defeated and then finally killed himself.

I don't see Hitler as being much different to a killer volcano, earthquake or meteor.

Hitler was evil. Volcanoes are not.

There does exist a measure of satisfaction in the Rooskie irony, since in the 2012 election the Wan famously said, Mr. Romney, the eighties are calling and they want their foreign policy back.

Judging by the furiously tossed stuff on the wall to see what sticks, any oasis of truth that appears on the horizon is likely a mirage in short season after the long Dem cupcake diet of fantasy narrative spin, such as in the latest and hopefully last press conference of fading glory where folks are told that everything is hunky dory, never better but soon to be worse because of the Trump, and this is dutifully relayed whole cloth by the media, and worse, swallowed.

[Greta]

Hitler was evil. Volcanoes are not.

I do not believe in evil; I believe in damage. Some people are damaged goods. Hitler was very damaged and the power he undeservingly gained completely destroyed him, and others.

Respectfully, please take your political polemic and place it deep within your rectum. I am not interested. The thread's about what makes us, us.

[TSBU]

I don't believe in people more evil than me, I know sadists, etc, what can be worse than what I've seen or I can imagine? But I'll tell you what I fear, I'll tell you what I can't see with real opened eyes, what I can't even imagine without finding that it can be worse. Stupid people.

Of course, they can born being "worse humans" than me, needing to destroy others, etc. But when I say that I can't imagine a person more evil than me, is that I can do whatever I need to get what I want (I just don't want some things, but I don't fear people with strange desires, like sadist people, killers etc, I fear people who do things without understanding a shit, doing exactly the oposite of what they need, things like that)

[Walker]

Hitler was evil. Volcanoes are not.

I do not believe in evil; I believe in damage. Some people are damaged goods. Hitler was very damaged and the power he undeservingly gained completely destroyed him, and others.

Respectfully, please take your political polemic and place it deep within your rectum. I am not interested. The thread's about what makes us, us.

Goodness gracious. Is it appropriate or untoward to note undue sensitivity about something or t'other by someone?

Wan could easily and respectfully conclude that thug is the water route out.

“Us” is society. Two or more. Dualism.

Politics, defined as mutually agreed rules, or laws that codify mutual decency, is what makes “us” possible in the big picture. Otherwise “us” is an undifferentiated one, practically speaking. A voting block of wan with attendant selfishness born of superficial cognition of anything other than personal satisfaction, made manifest in situations of no consequence other than those that accompany odd pronouncements.

Without politics, there is no “us,” just a one that yearns to obliterate all that is not the one.

And a wan, and a two …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FNatacUDuJA