Should Trump go to jail?

[Lacewing]

Hey, there are some people that I COULD come forward and say things about, but until they run for a high-ranking position and act like a complete lying ass in public, I'm not likely to stir that up for myself. There are good reasons that women don't want to put themselves through more crap... until it reaches a tipping point for them. And it's easier to come forward when there are others. Lots of men abuse women. Believe it! And women have better things to do than try to make them pay for it. Such men are stupid assholes... and men like Trump shouldn't just go to jail, he should go to Hell!

Thankfully, horrible stupid-ass men like that haven't ruined my happy disposition... nor made me hate the good men.

[Arising_uk]

...then why don't THEY come forward since rape is a criminal offense beyond what the unauthorized groping testimonies had to declare...three weeks before the election? This is always the default position of the mental plebs that if one has done something not morally or conventionally acceptable you're immediately assumed of having perpetrated far worse. ...

The experience over here is that the rich and powerful make it quite clear to their victims that they will not be listened to as who are they compared to them, that they have connections that will ensure this and they make veiled threats about what they can do to make their lives miserable. Add to that that many think this true leads many to stay quiet. It's not until there is a big public event or uproar that they then feel safe to speak up. The women who have come forward are fairly clear that it was watching him state live in public that he has never engaged in such behaviour that caused them to speak up as it was just to much to listen to.

Now I'm not saying Trump is the only one of his kind as Bill Clinton seems in the frame as well and both of them were in Jeffrey Epstein's Little Black Book and Trump was in and out of his 'palace' many times so I think this mental pleb has some grounds for what he thinks.

Maybe someone who "thought" they were raped will come forward a week before the farce ends. Maybe Lady Macbeth already has a few candidates available if required.

Tell that to that 13 year-old girl and whilst you're at it watch the video of Trump looking at a child and saying he'll be doing her in a few years. Even his ex-wife said he had sex with her using a violent assault to do so.

[Philosophy Explorer]

Arising said:

"Now I'm not saying Trump is the only one of his kind as Bill Clinton seems in the frame as well and both of them were in Jeffrey Epstein's Little Black Book and Trump was in and out of his 'palace' many times so I think this mental pleb has some grounds for what he thinks."

The big difference between Clinton and Trump is that Monica was willing while Trump's victimized women weren't.

PhilX

[vegetariantaxidermy]

Isn't it wonderful the way yanks focus on the important stuff and ignore trivialities like the fact that they have fucked up the whole planet.
Hillary C is a psychopathic warmonger. Trump is a psychopathic sleazeball. GW Bush should be handed over to the Iraqi people to do with as they wish.

[Philosophy Explorer]

Isn't it wonderful the way yanks focus on the important stuff and ignore trivialities like the fact that they have fucked up the whole planet.
Hillary C is a psychopathic warmonger. Trump is a psychopathic sleazeball. GW Bush should be handed over to the Iraqi people to do with as they wish.

And what goes on in Britain?

PhilX

[vegetariantaxidermy]

...then why don't THEY come forward since rape is a criminal offense beyond what the unauthorized groping testimonies had to declare...three weeks before the election? This is always the default position of the mental plebs that if one has done something not morally or conventionally acceptable you're immediately assumed of having perpetrated far worse. ...

The experience over here is that the rich and powerful make it quite clear to their victims that they will not be listened to as who are they compared to them, that they have connections that will ensure this and they make veiled threats about what they can do to make their lives miserable. Add to that that many think this true leads many to stay quiet. It's not until there is a big public event or uproar that they then feel safe to speak up. The women who have come forward are fairly clear that it was watching him state live in public that he has never engaged in such behaviour that caused them to speak up as it was just to much to listen to.

Now I'm not saying Trump is the only one of his kind as Bill Clinton seems in the frame as well and both of them were in Jeffrey Epstein's Little Black Book and Trump was in and out of his 'palace' many times so I think this mental pleb has some grounds for what he thinks.

Maybe someone who "thought" they were raped will come forward a week before the farce ends. Maybe Lady Macbeth already has a few candidates available if required.

Tell that to that 13 year-old girl and whilst you're at it watch the video of Trump looking at a child and saying he'll be doing her in a few years. Even his ex-wife said he had sex with her using a violent assault to do so.

And of course women never lie about anything, or seek attention. Genuine rape victims tend to never talk about it. They might go to the police and quietly submit to their torture session in court.
If you think going to the media and complaining about some groping of 40 years ago is a good way to feel 'safe' then there is something seriously wrong with you. Women are also not as helpless and pathetic as you think. I'm sure most are capable of a face-slap, knee-in-the-groin, or kick in the shins.

[Arising_uk]

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The big difference between Clinton and Trump is that Monica was willing while Trump's victimized women weren't.

PhilX

Except they're both been at Epstein's 'parties'.

[Arising_uk]

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If you think going to the media and complaining about some groping of 40 years ago is a good way to feel 'safe' then there is something seriously wrong with you. Women are also not as helpless and pathetic as you think. I'm sure most are capable of a face-slap, knee-in-the-groin, or kick in the shins.

Of course and then they get the shit beat out of 'em and raped.

I tell my daughter that if she's in fear to bite, claw and bury her fingers into their eyeballs up to the second knuckle and we'll worry about it in court.

As far as I can tell in Trumps case they would have stayed silent, the reason these women have come forward is watching him lie his face off to the American public on live TV.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

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If you think going to the media and complaining about some groping of 40 years ago is a good way to feel 'safe' then there is something seriously wrong with you. Women are also not as helpless and pathetic as you think. I'm sure most are capable of a face-slap, knee-in-the-groin, or kick in the shins.

Of course and then they get the shit beat out of 'em and raped.

I tell my daughter that if she's in fear to bite, claw and bury her fingers into their eyeballs up to the second knuckle and we'll worry about it in court.

As far as I can tell in Trumps case they would have stayed silent, the reason these women have come forward is watching him lie his face off to the American public on live TV.

What the hell are you talking about? So those 'celebrity victims' did nothing (not for decades anyway) because they thought Rolf Harris or Ken Barlow would hunt them down and rape and murder them? Give me a break.
And you didn't answer why the courts aren't bursting with historical groping cases.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

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If you think going to the media and complaining about some groping of 40 years ago is a good way to feel 'safe' then there is something seriously wrong with you. Women are also not as helpless and pathetic as you think. I'm sure most are capable of a face-slap, knee-in-the-groin, or kick in the shins.

Of course and then they get the shit beat out of 'em and raped.

I tell my daughter that if she's in fear to bite, claw and bury her fingers into their eyeballs up to the second knuckle and we'll worry about it in court.

As far as I can tell in Trumps case they would have stayed silent, the reason these women have come forward is watching him lie his face off to the American public on live TV.

By the same token Trump would have women throwing themselves at him all the time. No wonder he thinks he's irresistibile. Women aren't exactly lily-white when it comes to the way many of them lust after men with power.

[Arising_uk]

What the hell are you talking about? So those 'celebrity victims' did nothing (not for decades anyway) because they thought Rolf Harris or Ken Barlow would hunt them down and rape and murder them? Give me a break. ...

What 'celebrity victims'? These were children in those cases.

And you didn't answer why the courts aren't bursting with historical groping cases.

Maybe because someone running for Prime Minister hasn't stood up and said he never behaved in such a manner after being recorded saying just that.

I'm not disagreeing with you that being groped is not the same as being raped and that it is a fairly or used to be(?) a fairly common occurrence a few decades back(although I note that people appear very upset when Muslims do it?) and that the rich and powerful thought it pretty much their right. Just that when someone flat blanks denies it live on TV those who stand-up and say they are lying should be heard out.

[Arising_uk]

By the same token Trump would have women throwing themselves at him all the time. No wonder he thinks he's irresistibile. Women aren't exactly lily-white when it comes to the way many of them lust after men with power.

No argument there but the point is they weren't throwing themselves at him were they and if this is the case why does he feel the need to press himself on those who aren't?

[bobevenson]

As a divinely inspired prophet, I can tell you that prisons of any kind should be immediately abolished. If somebody commits a crime, the government can take one of the following three actions:

Punishment
a) For revenge (serves no positive purpose).
b) For rehabilitation (unsupported by psychological evidence).
c) For deterrence (government exploitation).

Restitution
Unequal protection under the law.

Control
Positive action designed to prevent recurrence.

The only proper action is control.

[Terrapin Station]

Certain crimes have no statutes of limitations so if this applies, then what you've stated has no relevance under the law. As to why the women are coming with these accusations at this time, I'm sure the full story will eventually come out, but for now you have four different women saying things about Trump.

I wasn't bringing up the reporting delays because of statute of limitations issues (although now that you bring that up, I would change the statute of limitations for these scenarios). I was bringing it up because it underscores the fishiness of the timing.

[vegetariantaxidermy]

These were children in those cases.

They weren't children. There was one who was allegedly hugged by Harris over 40 years ago. He had a hell of a lot of access to children, and that's all they could come up with? No doubt the surviving Beatles and the Rolling Stones will be quaking in their beds wondering if they will be next. Perhaps it would have been different if Harris had actually been attractive at some point (double standards). I don't doubt that he's probably a groper. Most women have encountered them. There was never going to be a fair trial. No doubt the Ken and Kevin juries had enough Coro fans on them to ensure not guilty verdicts.
I'm afraid I look for evidence. I'm never comfortable with witch hunts and trial by tabloid press. Rape would be one thing, and genuine paedophilia, but I certainly wouldn't feel comfortable about completely destroying someone's life AND the lives of everyone in their family (including children), over groping. You would have to be a pretty hard nut to do that.