Belinda wrote:"Islam's ideology"is not islamism's ideology. It matters quite a lot that people understand that Islam is not islamism.
Religions can be hi-jacked by politicians who aim to acquire extra power from claims that they are supported by God. This is what islamism is, it's one sort of religious hi-jacking. The history of Christianity is largely one of a religion being used for worldly purposes, and christianism may become once again as destructive as islamism.
I do not see your last as being possible but who can say.
I agree that some will use religions for evil purposes.
The fact that Islam and Christianity can be thus manipulated shows their corrupt and corruptive ideologies.
OuterLimits wrote:Whatever Islam is "really at core", whatever Christianity is "really at core", Jesus appears to be a mostly harmless hippie drama queen. Islam's prophet was a murderous slaver warlord. Or do I have it wrong. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Criticism_of_Muhammad
That would depend on which Jesus you are taking from scriptures. There is more than one.
You have the one as you describe created by Rome which only wanted a pacifist boot licker and you have the more Easter thinking one whop wanted to free us from religions and not slave us to them. I do not mind that one.
Do you see a lot of difference in mind set in the quotes below?
Luke 19:27 But those enemies of mine who did not want me to be king over them—bring them here and kill them in front of me.
Qur'an 8:7 "Allah wished to confirm the truth by His words: `Wipe the infidels out to the last."
Trajk Logik wrote:The problem with religion is that anyone can make any claim that they want and say it is the standard for any known religion. Who can really claim that they are the true follower of any religion? Who really knows what the true beliefs and practices are of any one religion? The texts of any major religion are so vague and written so long ago that the meanings of some of the terms can only be interpreted from an more modern mindset, which leads misinterpretations and/or cherry-picking to make one religion fit one's own lifestyle. All religions have an equal chance of being true - none - because not one religion provides any proof of anything - just rules to follow and the promise of damnation or everlasting life based on how one interprets and follows the rules. Most don't seem to understand that the rules were designed to control massive amounts of people because having large standing armies/police forces costs a lot of money.
I agree that the heart of a religious person cannot be known.
Are you saying that secular nations and our courts or U.N. system cannot judge good moral action or evil actions that a particular religion fosters?
Trajk Logik wrote: Religions are true because they improve people's lives.
People tend to do what improves their life situation naturally.
If you were correct in saying that religions improve peoples lives, why then did both Christianity and Islam grow their religions by the sword instead of by good deeds and their example of being an improved cult whose policies improve peoples lives?
Greatest I am wrote:Are you willing to have what are basically slave nations abusing human rights while we do nothing?
The U.S. Constitution does not give the government power to do good works in the world. The government should either change the Constitution or keep its larcenous hands out of my wallet.
Greatest I am wrote:Let us be honest. Islam’s ideology is immoral to its core. Should we ask the Haigue and U.N. to rule on the free world’s first duty to the world. Should we declare war against this immoral ideology?
Our collective leadership must lead by honor. Honor demands the first duty of all free people be to do their best to ensure that all the people of the world enjoy the same level of freedom that they enjoy. This is irrefutable, in terms of morality.
Freedom can only be enjoyed in a moral society.
The Hague and U.N. must rule on the duty of the free world to humanity, and decide if it is better to have all these little wars that disrupt our cities and countries, or declare a real ideological war against the barbaric and non-progressive ideology that the Eastern hordes are trying to force down the Wests throat.
As usual, religions are trying to grow themselves by the sword. A redirection is in order and quite necessary if peace is to be achieved.
We, the collective of the free world, must move the war to one of words that judge the ideologies for their moral worth, and seek to live by the best one. That verdict will determine the will of the free world as to which direction we free people wish the world to evolve to; in terms of the limits of freedom and the duty of free people.
The free world has forgotten that its first duty to the world is to work to have the whole world share in that freedom.
A war of words tends to kill fewer people than the murderous religious insurgencies we now suffer.
I think our legislators ought to consider such a strategy.
Do you?
Regards
DL
You are a bore. You can say this about any fucking religion.
In actual FACT.
The "core" of Islam is Judaism.
And since many Muslims hate Jews, that shows just how immoral that religion is as it hates it's roots.
Christianity with protestants hating Catholics is showing us just how foolish all religious bigotries are.
Regards
DL
"Most" Moslims do not hate Jews. They regard religion as an evolution. Judaism - Christianity - and Then Islam they revere Moses and Jesus as prophets.
But all religions spawn bigots - that is what they do.
Greatest I am wrote:Are you willing to have what are basically slave nations abusing human rights while we do nothing?
The U.S. Constitution does not give the government power to do good works in the world. The government should either change the Constitution or keep its larcenous hands out of my wallet.
Not quite a doing unto others ideology.
Money ahead of morality is what has created what we have today.
"Most" Moslims do not hate Jews. They regard religion as an evolution. Judaism - Christianity - and Then Islam they revere Moses and Jesus as prophets.
But all religions spawn bigots - that is what they do.
I agree.
I do not agree that religions see themselves as an evolving theology.
That is why people can say they adore a genocidal son murdering God like Yahweh.
Islam says they like Jesus but ignore the Golden Rule that he preached. Then again, so do most religions including many homophobic and misogynous Christians.
"Most" Moslims do not hate Jews. They regard religion as an evolution. Judaism - Christianity - and Then Islam they revere Moses and Jesus as prophets.
But all religions spawn bigots - that is what they do.
I agree.
I do not agree that religions see themselves as an evolving theology.
That is why people can say they adore a genocidal son murdering God like Yahweh.
Islam says they like Jesus but ignore the Golden Rule that he preached. Then again, so do most religions including many homophobic and misogynous Christians.
Regards
DL
I said Islam sees itself as evolved. It is part of the Hadith that Judaism and Christianity were the parents of Islam.
"Most" Moslims do not hate Jews. They regard religion as an evolution. Judaism - Christianity - and Then Islam they revere Moses and Jesus as prophets.
But all religions spawn bigots - that is what they do.
I agree.
I do not agree that religions see themselves as an evolving theology.
That is why people can say they adore a genocidal son murdering God like Yahweh.
Islam says they like Jesus but ignore the Golden Rule that he preached. Then again, so do most religions including many homophobic and misogynous Christians.
Regards
DL
I said Islam sees itself as evolved. It is part of the Hadith that Judaism and Christianity were the parents of Islam.
Three steps back into barbarity is hardly a sigh of an evolved religion. It is a regression.
I do not agree that religions see themselves as an evolving theology.
That is why people can say they adore a genocidal son murdering God like Yahweh.
Islam says they like Jesus but ignore the Golden Rule that he preached. Then again, so do most religions including many homophobic and misogynous Christians.
Regards
DL
I said Islam sees itself as evolved. It is part of the Hadith that Judaism and Christianity were the parents of Islam.
Three steps back into barbarity is hardly a sigh of an evolved religion. It is a regression.
Regards
DL
I don't think they give a rat's arse what you think.
