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thedoc wrote:

bahman wrote: How God could know anything if It is formless?

This is part of your error, there is no reason to assume that God is formless, that is just more nonsense that you have made up.

So God has a shape and It is pure spiritual at the same time. Does spiritual beings have shape? If so why divide things to material and spiritual?

bahman wrote:
What does it mean that God is knowledge.

Without knowledge nothing can be known. That which is known can only be known via knowledge. God cannot be known any other way other than through knowledge, therefore God is that knowledge.

Dontaskme wrote: Knowledge is illusory.

bahman wrote:It is not.

Yes it is.

There is knowledge; for example: A 'human' exists only because it is known. Without the knowledge of 'human' what is a human?

And where is knowledge? maybe it's stored in the memory... but where is the memory? maybe it's in the brain<<<< this is more knowledge.
We simply DO NOT KNOW where knowledge,memory or information is located.

So who is the knower of the known? ...who knows the concept human? can the knower of the known concept be known?

If everyone was blind and deaf how could one formulate any knowledge of an object?

When the senses are active..Can the senses be known? who is seeing? who is sensing?


The body knows how to function, but it doesn't require any knowledge in order to know how to function. Even in pitch darkness the body is still able to function.

So who is the knower of knowledge?

Dontaskme wrote: Without knowledge nothing can be known. That which is known can only be known via knowledge. God cannot be known any other way other than through knowledge, therefore God is that knowledge.

This is not an answer to my question. I ask what "God is knowledge" means.

bahman wrote:

Dontaskme wrote: Without knowledge nothing can be known. That which is known can only be known via knowledge. God cannot be known any other way other than through knowledge, therefore God is that knowledge.

This is not an answer to my question. I ask what "God is knowledge" means.

Yes it is the answer, but not according to you, so what do you want it to mean?

You said.

bahman wrote:4) We can deduce from (2) and (3) that God cannot have any knowledge

Who or what is the ''God'' in the statement .... '' God cannot have any knowledge '' ?

How can that concept ''God'' even arise in the first place if it is not known in the form of knowledge?

It would be like saying...''juetsgemmitzxb'' cannot have any knowledge.
Do you see what I am getting at?

And who or what knows God? Is it the knowledge that knows God or is it something else?


You can't just use a word in communication without first knowing that word. So all words known must be knowledge.

Is the word God just some piece of knowledge.. or what?

bahman wrote:1) Knowledge is a sort of information which is comprehensible for a person
2) Information can be hold in something which has form (a brain for example) same for knowledge
3) God has no form since it is purely spiritual
4) We can deduce from (2) and (3) that God cannot have any knowledge

Who says God is purely spiritual?

ken wrote:

bahman wrote: 1) Knowledge is a sort of information which is comprehensible for a person
2) Information can be hold in something which has form (a brain for example) same for knowledge
3) God has no form since it is purely spiritual
4) We can deduce from (2) and (3) that God cannot have any knowledge

Who says God is purely spiritual?

How It could be otherwise? God cannot be material otherwise we could experience It. So the only option which is left is spiritual.

bahman wrote:

ken wrote:

bahman wrote: 1) Knowledge is a sort of information which is comprehensible for a person
2) Information can be hold in something which has form (a brain for example) same for knowledge
3) God has no form since it is purely spiritual
4) We can deduce from (2) and (3) that God cannot have any knowledge

Who says God is purely spiritual?

How It could be otherwise? God cannot be material otherwise we could experience It. So the only option which is left is spiritual.

This extremely narrow view of things just maybe the reason WHY you are still puzzled about them.

ken wrote:

bahman wrote:

ken wrote: Who says God is purely spiritual?

How It could be otherwise? God cannot be material otherwise we could experience It. So the only option which is left is spiritual.

This extremely narrow view of things just maybe the reason WHY you are still puzzled about them.

Could you please enlighten me?

bahman wrote:

ken wrote:

bahman wrote:
How It could be otherwise? God cannot be material otherwise we could experience It. So the only option which is left is spiritual.

This extremely narrow view of things just maybe the reason WHY you are still puzzled about them.

Could you please enlighten me?

God can be whatever God wants, and owes humans no explanation. God is not limited to human expectations, unless God is created by humans. So are you saying that God is created by humans to be whatever humans say God is?

thedoc wrote:

bahman wrote:

ken wrote: This extremely narrow view of things just maybe the reason WHY you are still puzzled about them.

Could you please enlighten me?

God can be whatever God wants, and owes humans no explanation. God is not limited to human expectations, unless God is created by humans. So are you saying that God is created by humans to be whatever humans say God is?

So you believe on something you cannot define. Something which does not make any sense to human logic. How that could be correct?

bahman wrote: So you believe on something you cannot define. Something which does not make any sense to human logic. How that could be correct?

Yep, It doesn't have to make sense or be correct, God just is. Why should I limit God with my expectations.

thedoc wrote:

bahman wrote: So you believe on something you cannot define. Something which does not make any sense to human logic. How that could be correct?

Yep, It doesn't have to make sense or be correct, God just is. Why should I limit God with my expectations.

I do. Works for me.

thedoc wrote:

bahman wrote: So you believe on something you cannot define. Something which does not make any sense to human logic. How that could be correct?

Yep, It doesn't have to make sense or be correct, God just is. Why should I limit God with my expectations.

I am sorry but that is not a good definition of a rational being, human.

bahman wrote:

thedoc wrote:

bahman wrote: So you believe on something you cannot define. Something which does not make any sense to human logic. How that could be correct?

Yep, It doesn't have to make sense or be correct, God just is. Why should I limit God with my expectations.

I am sorry but that is not a good definition of a rational being, human.

I'm not defining a rational human being, I'm not really defining God either. What part of that do you not understand?

bahman wrote:

Dontaskme wrote: God cannot have knowledge. God is the knowledge.

What does it mean that God is knowledge.

Dontaskme wrote: Knowledge is illusory.

It is not.

Knowledge informs the (known IS) what it is. Wisdom reveals the known is NOT what it is.