THE RELIGIONS – THEIR FUNDAMENTAL MISTAKE

[Dontaskme]

In what context does this “unborn awareness” exist in when it is not encapsulated in matter?

In other words, please describe as best you can exactly what this unborn awareness is “aware of” when it resides in its incorporeal form?

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It's aware of thought.

Awareness and Thought carry no weight or substance, they are empty to the core. Everything is light reflecting itself.

[Dontaskme]

So far it sounds like Zen, which has been around for over a thousand years, but has been grossly misunderstood by many.

Some people will never get their heads around the concept of emptiness. It took me many years to fully grasp it, and it has destroyed me to the point of never being able to return to normal living. Sometimes I wish I hadn't woken up, but at the same time I'm so glad I did..it's a funny weird experience to go through.

[Lacewing]

How would everything be different if everyone thought/realized this?

This is not about anything being different. Life will go on the same as it's ever was. It's about the realisation that no ''THING'' is living LIFE. It's about seeing the emptiness in everything living.

So, if life will go on the same as it ever was, and if this realization is not about anything being different, why do it? Everything is as it is, seeing or not seeing, which is fine and magnificent in all of its glory and potential, right?

[Dontaskme]

So, if life will go on the same as it ever was, and if this realization is not about anything being different, why do it?

Because my dear Lacewing whom I love and admire ...the doing, is just what's happening. No one is doing it, it's all a happening all by itself.

Thank God, else we'd only fuck it up if was up to us...

Can you imagine if we suddenly got stage fright and said ooh I can't do it.. I can't do it....everything happens spontaneously, there is no one pulling our strings.

[Lacewing]

Okay, so let me rephrase this... what is the purpose of what you post here?

[Dontaskme]

what is the purpose of what you post here?

Sharing stories with other story tellers.


What is the purpose of what you post here?

What if the need to be “right” is… irrelevant? Non-existent even? What if there are simply too many legitimate perspectives? What if we stopped disagreeing on what is “right” — and spent that energy on a different type of storytelling?

[Lacewing]

what is the purpose of what you post here?

Sharing stories with other story tellers.


What is the purpose of what you post here?

What if the need to be “right” is… irrelevant? Non-existent even? What if there are simply too many legitimate perspectives? What if we stopped disagreeing on what is “right” — and spent that energy on a different type of storytelling?

I totally agree with all of this. My impression... and the reason for my question... is that you appear to do more than storytelling, you appear to want to tell "how it is for all". I'm resistant to anyone doing that. I'm here to tell stories, have fun, and call people on their shit based on what they themselves say... which I hope others will do of the things I say (not based on who/what they project me to be/think).

[Dontaskme]

I totally agree with all of this. My impression... and the reason for my question... is that you appear to do more than storytelling, you appear to want to tell "how it is for all". I'm resistant to anyone doing that. I'm here to tell stories, have fun, and call people on their shit based on what they themselves say... which I hope others will do of the things I say (not based on who/what they project me to be/think).

Yeah, you're right, I do make the mistake of saying .. how it is for all.

I do this because I discovered that there is only oneness ...and what ever arises in that oneness is only ever oneness expressing itself. But I know not every one is aware I'm coming from this basic premise. I do get frustrated because I think everyone should automatically think like I do, but then why or how could they if that's not how they see reality...so I'm being silly really.

The thing is the way I see it, is that everything that happens is what it is, there's nothing wrong with anything, everything is subject to change anyway. One minute we're nice, the next minute we're being horrible,then we're being nice again.. it's just the way things are. It's just what happens in the heat of any given moment, dramas unfold and no one can stop what happens. There's no point in regretting anything, what's done is done, we can't take anything back and redo it...there is no dress rehearsal in life's play.


Ultimately there are as many different ways of perceiving the world as there are species of life in the universe. What we take to be reality is simply the particular way the human mind sees and interprets the physical world. – Peter Russell

[Dontaskme]

I'm here to tell stories, have fun, and call people on their shit based on what they themselves say... which I hope others will do of the things I say (not based on who/what they project me to be/think).

But the thing is though...one mans shit is another mans treasure, that's what we need to remember. We're all interconnected by an invisible force, but at the same time we're all unique.

For example, you may think Bill is full of shit sometimes, but I actually think he's got a great mind.

[Lacewing]

Yeah, you're right, I do make the mistake of saying .. how it is for all.

Great response... thanks!

It's such a natural thing to do, it seems.

I do this because I discovered that there is only oneness ...and what ever arises in that oneness is only ever oneness expressing itself. But I know not every one is aware I'm coming from this basic premise. I do get frustrated because I think everyone should automatically think like I do, but then why or how could they if that's not how they see reality...

Well I agree with you. I've experienced oneness too... and everything was perfect and fine! I, too, get frustrated when I think people should be able to see it or at least consider it. And yet I remember a time when I would have not known what someone was talking about by saying such a thing -- so perhaps it's only understood through direct experience, which (for me) almost transcends words even now.

The thing is the way I see it, is that everything that happens is what it is, there's nothing wrong with anything, everything is subject to change anyway. One minute we're nice, the next minute we're being horrible,then we're being nice again.. it's just the way things are. It's just what happens in the heat of any given moment, dramas unfold and no one can stop what happens. There's no point in regretting anything, what's done is done, we can't take anything back and redo it...there is no dress rehearsal in life's play.

Ultimately there are as many different ways of perceiving the world as there are species of life in the universe. What we take to be reality is simply the particular way the human mind sees and interprets the physical world. – Peter Russell

I completely agree.

But the thing is though...one mans shit is another mans treasure, that's what we need to remember. We're all interconnected by an invisible force, but at the same time we're all unique.

For example, you may think Bill is full of shit sometimes, but I actually think he's got a great mind.

Well he IS full of shit sometimes AND yes, he does have a great mind, which is why I talk to him as if he could possibly understand and be truthful and real if he chose to. The games that he plays are the same games that any of us COULD play, and DO play, at times. The way I see it, pointing these things out to others is a way of pointing it out to ourselves as well... and saying, THAT'S a POTENTIAL, and I don't want to go there. But someone else may go there... and then we can ask "Why are you doing that?" In other words, the ONE is talking to the ONE... and sometimes the ONE may curse at what the ONE is doing.

I do think there are behaviors that are deceptive and toxic. Although I can honor those as part of the total manifestation of all potential, I feel compelled to demonstrate other potentials by interacting with it as I do. Sort of like... "You want to play? Let's play!" And if some people use deception and cowardliness to poke at others, then I may decide to respond, even though ultimately none of it makes any difference.

[thedoc]

So far it sounds like Zen, which has been around for over a thousand years, but has been grossly misunderstood by many.

Some people will never get their heads around the concept of emptiness. It took me many years to fully grasp it, and it has destroyed me to the point of never being able to return to normal living. Sometimes I wish I hadn't woken up, but at the same time I'm so glad I did..it's a funny weird experience to go through.

Many years ago I read a lot of Zen, and once I read that all are enlightened, but just don't realize it. So I decided that since I am already enlightened, I'd just skip all the hard work, and play with my Grandchildren.

[Harbal]

but I actually think he's got a great mind.

You've already established that you're an idiot, this is nothing more than confirmation of it.

[thedoc]

but I actually think he's got a great mind.

You've already established that you're an idiot, this is nothing more than confirmation of it.

Harbal! be nice, whatever the state of Bills mind, we all know that he isn't making the best use of it.

[Harbal]

Harbal! be nice, whatever the state of Bills mind, we all know that he isn't making the best use of it.

Yes, Doc, your right. Maybe I should make myself scarce till I'm in a better mood.

[Lacewing]

...whatever the state of Bills mind, we all know that he isn't making the best use of it.

That's the way I look at it. Everyone may have a great mind to start with, but then it's what they do with it that matters -- and in some cases, it's not much different than having no mind at all, when it just becomes a delusional projection machine to serve the ego, rather than the clear and vibrant processing tool that it started out as.