Aristotle on friendship

[Impenitent]

and we know who Aristotle's best pupil was?

-Imp

[Walker]

A "friendship" based on usefulness, is not a friendship.

Unconditional friendship?

Love is more powerful, and unconditional love is rare in humans since it’s only found in parents and the peaceful.

Do you have any friends?

Far more relevant for your growth in awareness, and something which you should probably state sincerely and clearly since public declarations of intent carry power, is:

What do you think your service is under these conditions? (and you do know what the conditions are) Before you answer, do you not observe how you have no choice in your response?

[Hobbes' Choice]

and we know who Aristotle's best pupil was?

-Imp

Indeed. Bred a viper in his bosom.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Unconditional friendship?

Love is more powerful, and unconditional love is rare in humans since it’s only found in parents and the peaceful.

Do you have any friends?

Far more relevant for your growth in awareness, and something which you should probably state sincerely and clearly since public declarations of intent carry power, is:

What do you think your service is under these conditions? (and you do know what the conditions are) Before you answer, do you not observe how you have no choice in your response?

I just love it when you confuse yourself by trying to type stuff like an adult.

[Walker]

Do you have any friends?

Far more relevant for your growth in awareness, and something which you should probably state sincerely and clearly since public declarations of intent carry power, is:

What do you think your service is under these conditions? (and you do know what the conditions are) Before you answer, do you not observe how you have no choice in your response?

I just love it when you confuse yourself by trying to type stuff like an adult.

Well. We’re waiting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQFxmAdyKcg

Hobbes, when there is an abundance of human love then the motion of the universe that naturally initiates towards balance is a choiceless one that says, “Golf steals time from what matters most that is so brief when measured by the only absolute in the universe.”

However, mere humans can only speculate on the living Icons of Golf (objectively designated) who exist solely for promoters to entreat with vast quantities of moolah from the entertained masses, with a few middle-men in between. These masses give offering to the Icons, through the middle-men. The worship gene by any other name will have it's day.

[MatejValuch]

If a friendship is based on usefulness we dump a friend if the particular advantage that made us seek the frinedship ceases.
Because we love the advantage and not the friend who provides it.

Would you agree ?

He started his argument with a condition, so he was talking more of a sort of relationship some people may call "friendship", but he would not necessarily call it that way (though he may).
And, in this hypothesis, he's absolutely right. If we sought a relationship because of usefulness (whether consciously or subconsciously), we'll dump the friend once the advantage ceases (whether we'd realize why we did dump him or not again doesn't matter)

It was me who quoted Aristotle in that way.
One of his categories of friendship is based on usufulness.

I wanted to know if people here agree with Aristotle´s explanation:
Because we love the advantage and not the friend who provides it.

I would even ask further:
And if the person who provides an important advantage to someone is very hateful indeed can this person still be called a "friend" ?

Aristotle is not available for comment.

It could be even more extreme: I loathe the advantage provider because I desperately need this advantage and feel humiliated because I feel dependent on a repugnant reptile for it.
An expression borrowed from Umberto Eco, him too no longer among us living people, who talked about a rettile schifoso in an essay on political correctness.

Example: it could be my provider of an illegal drug.

Would you call him a friend or an enemy ?

Ah, I see, sorry for misunderstanding. Now I see another point:

The advantage is necessarily connected to the "friend". If the friend was not alive and behaving the way he was behaving towards us, the advantage would never come to existence. So, maybe we just can't separate friend and the advantage in this equation. Or maybe we are just utterly selfish, and that's what Aristotle wanted to point out, in a more polite way.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Far more relevant for your growth in awareness, and something which you should probably state sincerely and clearly since public declarations of intent carry power, is:

What do you think your service is under these conditions? (and you do know what the conditions are) Before you answer, do you not observe how you have no choice in your response?

I just love it when you confuse yourself by trying to type stuff like an adult.

Well. We’re waiting.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VQFxmAdyKcg

Hobbes, when there is an abundance of human love then the motion of the universe that naturally initiates towards balance is a choiceless one that says, “Golf steals time from what matters most that is so brief when measured by the only absolute in the universe.”

However, mere humans can only speculate on the living Icons of Golf (objectively designated) who exist solely for promoters to entreat with vast quantities of moolah from the entertained masses, with a few middle-men in between. These masses give offering to the Icons, through the middle-men. The worship gene by any other name will have it's day.

And THIS, is exactly what I mean.

[duszek]

Ah, I see, sorry for misunderstanding. Now I see another point:

The advantage is necessarily connected to the "friend". If the friend was not alive and behaving the way he was behaving towards us, the advantage would never come to existence. So, maybe we just can't separate friend and the advantage in this equation. Or maybe we are just utterly selfish, and that's what Aristotle wanted to point out, in a more polite way.

Yes, but in the example of the provider of an illegal drug the "advantage" is a doubtful one so the person providing it is not interested in our well-being but only in his profit.

But if we considerer neutral advantages, are the providers of them people deserving to be called friends ?

An option could be to call them precisely: advantage provider.