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bobevenson wrote:Please, I don't have time to look at all the crap you idiots are posting. But I'll tell you jokers this, in the past year or two, virtually every episode of terrorism has had an Islamic connection, and anybody who disagrees needs a lobotomy!

That's not true. KKKristian groups have committed far more terrorism in your own hell-hole of a country. That's a fact. I'm not defending islam. I hate it, just as I hate kristianity. They are both fascist brain-destroyers. Look at your kkkristian military, attacking their countries, raping and murdering their women and children. No wonder they are pissed off. I'm surprised there haven't been a lot more attacks in the US.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/babak-rah ... 66868.html

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

bobevenson wrote:Please, I don't have time to look at all the crap you idiots are posting. But I'll tell you jokers this, in the past year or two, virtually every episode of terrorism has had an Islamic connection, and anybody who disagrees needs a lobotomy!

That's not true. KKKristian groups have committed far more terrorism in your own hell-hole of a country. That's a fact. I'm not defending islam. I hate it, just as I hate kristianity. They are both fascist brain-destroyers. Look at your kkkristian military, attacking their countries, raping and murdering their women and children. No wonder they are pissed off. I'm surprised there haven't been a lot more attacks in the US.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/babak-rah ... 66868.html

I said in the past year or two, dipshit!

bobevenson wrote:

vegetariantaxidermy wrote:

bobevenson wrote:Please, I don't have time to look at all the crap you idiots are posting. But I'll tell you jokers this, in the past year or two, virtually every episode of terrorism has had an Islamic connection, and anybody who disagrees needs a lobotomy!

That's not true. KKKristian groups have committed far more terrorism in your own hell-hole of a country. That's a fact. I'm not defending islam. I hate it, just as I hate kristianity. They are both fascist brain-destroyers. Look at your kkkristian military, attacking their countries, raping and murdering their women and children. No wonder they are pissed off. I'm surprised there haven't been a lot more attacks in the US.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/babak-rah ... 66868.html

I said in the past year or two, dipshit!

Why didn't you just make it 'in the past week or two' instead? Or 'the last hour or two'? What an irriot.

bobevenson wrote:Jesus Christ, what do you want to do, go back to ancient history? I guess you don't want to talk current events, huh? You really are a dipshit, my friend!

Today Christian bombs rained down on Syria.

Are you really that fucking stupid?

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I appreciate the spirited discussion. This is a GREAT philosophical topic with many interesting aspect.


PLEASE refrain from calling each other derogatory names. That REALLY doesn't help the intellectual discourse.




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Hobbes' Choice wrote:

bobevenson wrote:Jesus Christ, what do you want to do, go back to ancient history? I guess you don't want to talk current events, huh? You really are a dipshit, my friend!

Today Christian bombs rained down on Syria.

Are you really that fucking stupid?

http://antibullshitman.blogspot.ca/2010 ... m.html?m=1

Bill Wiltrack wrote:.




I appreciate the spirited discussion. This is a GREAT philosophical topic with many interesting aspect.


PLEASE refrain from calling each other derogatory names. That REALLY doesn't help the intellectual discourse.




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I think maybe it's a bit of a set-up to mention the word Islam and Violence in the same sentence.
What sort of responses would you expect to get?

The point is ..humans will always fight and squabble over dead things, CONCEPTS & LABELS ... WHILE THAT WHICH IS actually IMPORTANT, is often overlooked...which is this obvious free boundless aware aliveness that's in all of us, we forget that and choose to concentrate on the dead things.

Any creed that by definition excludes people of different beliefs tends to lean towards violence.
And when that creed feels under attack by another, then this foments outward violence towards that other creed.
This is true of nationhood and religion.

If you want to know why Islam appears violent towards the West, you have only to look to the violence it has suffered at the hands of the West.
Surely I've no need to regurgitate the litany of violence and domination of the Western powers since 1918 and the fall of the Ottoman empire?

It is right to equate Islam with violence. And it is also right to equate the judeo-christian religions with violence for exactly the same reason.

bobevenson wrote:Please, I don't have time to look at all the crap you idiots are posting. But I'll tell you jokers this, in the past year or two, virtually every episode of terrorism has had an Islamic connection, and anybody who disagrees needs a lobotomy!

History did not begin "in the past year or two".

State sponsored terrorism:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_mili ... n_in_Libya
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/1986_Unit ... g_of_Libya
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016/07 ... ls-dozens/

If the word 'islam', in english, means, or is derived from a word, which, in english, means peace, then I would think it is wrong to equate the word 'islam' with violence. The opposite would actually be what is true.

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The pope said that no religion has a monopoly on violence, the Wall Street Journal notes:

His own experience in interreligious dialogue had shown him that Muslims seek "peace and encounter," he said. "It is not right and it is not just to say that Islam is terroristic." And he said no religion had a monopoly on violent members.

"If I speak of Islamic violence, I should speak of Catholic violence. Not all Muslims are violent, not all Catholics are violent," Pope Francis said, dismissing Islamic State as a "small fundamentalist group" not representative of Islam as a whole.

"In almost all religions there is always a small group of fundamentalists," even in the Catholic Church, the pope said, though not necessarily physically violent. "One can kill with the tongue as well as the knife."






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Bill Wiltrack wrote:.







"In almost all religions there is always a small group of fundamentalists," even in the Catholic Church, the pope said,..





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ken wrote:If the word 'islam', in english, means, or is derived from a word, which, in english, means peace, then I would think it is wrong to equate the word 'islam' with violence. The opposite would actually be what is true.

Actually, "Islam" means "submission." But don't believe me; just look it up in any neutral source, and you'll see that's right.

That is, you get "peace" when everybody who is an "infidel" (essentially, an unbeliever, heathen or Atheist: but also including any Jews and Christians, i.e. "people of the Book", that are not "submitting" to Allah).

Muhammed was a warlord, not a pacifist; and Islam has historically always spread through conquest. That is why they practice Jihad...the primary meaning of which is not "self-discipline," as some people would have you believe, but "holy war," i.e. a universal war waged until all of the World is compelled to become "Dar-El-Salaam," the "land of the pacified."

Islam believes that we'll have "peace" after all the unbelievers are dead or completely subdued and humiliated, subject to Shariah; but not any other way.

For anyone with a strong opinion about how "peaceful" and "liberal" Islam actually is, I strongly recommend a reading of the Koran. You won't be left in doubt about that.