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thedoc wrote:We must be living in different countries and different worlds, because I'm not seeing what you claim to be seeing.

Maybe this will refresh your memory?

https://ourfuture.org/20141208/bush-vs- ... ple-charts

I find it interesting that you don't remember Bush coming on TV before the 2008 elections and telling the country we were in financial ruin. If you'd like I'll see if I can find it on you tube.

artisticsolution wrote:

thedoc wrote:We must be living in different countries and different worlds, because I'm not seeing what you claim to be seeing.

Maybe this will refresh your memory?

https://ourfuture.org/20141208/bush-vs- ... ple-charts

I find it interesting that you don't remember Bush coming on TV before the 2008 elections and telling the country we were in financial ruin. If you'd like I'll see if I can find it on you tube.

Now you're hanging everything on what Bush said on TV, that's a switch. In your opinion, Is he a reliable source or not. Campaign statements are meant to get votes, not to tell the truth. FYI, I never said I believed everything Bush said, but I have seen the others in my community and I take everything with a grain of salt, including what fanatics like you post.

thedoc wrote:

artisticsolution wrote:

thedoc wrote:We must be living in different countries and different worlds, because I'm not seeing what you claim to be seeing.

Maybe this will refresh your memory?

https://ourfuture.org/20141208/bush-vs- ... ple-charts

I find it interesting that you don't remember Bush coming on TV before the 2008 elections and telling the country we were in financial ruin. If you'd like I'll see if I can find it on you tube.

Now you're hanging everything on what Bush said on TV, that's a switch. In your opinion, Is he a reliable source or not. Campaign statements are meant to get votes, not to tell the truth. FYI, I never said I believed everything Bush said, but I have seen the others in my community and I take everything with a grain of salt, including what fanatics like you post.

No doc...I'm not talking about bush's campaign speeches...I am talking about when he was president....nearing the end of his presidency....having an type of state of the Union address...where he stood at the pulpit and told America for the first time we were in a financial crisis! You don't remember that?

Here:

https://youtu.be/T6bmEv2-rFA

thedoc wrote:

artisticsolution wrote: All I know is you are putting your trust in a guy who is mean to just about everybody! If you were in a business dealing with you, he would take advantage of you to his benefit whenever he could. Now what are the chances he cares about anybody in america but himself and his family? none.

Hillary might be status quo....but at least we know what we would be getting.

Hillary is a mean viscous bitch and I would sooner have Trump than her.

You describe Hillary as the status quo, and that can't get much worse. So we know how bad things will be with her, I'd rather take a chance that Trump will make things better, he can't make it worse, but we know that Hillary won't make it better.

You have to be kidding!
She might be a bitch, but she's a known bitch and is smart. Trump is openly thuggish, and you can depend on the fact that war will be the consequence of his Presidency. He's a complete moron.

While Hillary is FAR from what even most Democrats want for their next president Trump is far worse. Here is why BOTH of them are unsuited for The Oval.
As Sec. of State Hillary was far more interventionist than she needed to be and did little to foster good relations btw the US and other nations. Her handling of the Libya situation was a total mess. And she seriously created bad blood with Russia over her critique of the validity of their elections which is now viewed as the height of hypocrisy in light of the Wikileaks email revelations. Despite her bragging about her foreign policy credentials Hillary is not a big believer in diplomacy. Instead she is viewed by most as a warhawk and many fear that her current lashing out at Russia could be setting the stage for future conflict with them in Syria or perhaps Ukraine especially since the hostilities in Ukraine were largely instigated by Victoria Nuland Assistant Sec. of State for European and Eurasian Affairs under Hillary and is a long time friend and ardent supporter of Hillary.
As for the problem with Trump. It's feared that what Trump mostly wants is the prestige of the presidency without doing the actual work of running the country. It's reported that Trump originally offered the Vice Presidency to Ohio governed John Kashich with the offer to let his VP pick run all of the country's domestic affiars. Kashich turned him down appalled by the offer and Trump's attitude toward the office. Instead Trump picks Mike Pence- a man so recollect in his home state of Indiana that most predict that not only could Pence not have won re-election but that the state's governership could go to a Democrat. Pence is a hard lined Christian conservative who has passed not only the nation's most restrictive anti-abortion laws but also forced into law that forces any woman that has a miscarriage to hold a funeral and purchase a headstone for the grave. I don't think the nation wants a man with the views of Mike Pence forcing his religious views into laws and upon us all just to satisfy his religious beliefs.
And if this isn't bad enough Trump has also been talking about possible future wars and his willingness to use nuclear weapons; so it looks like he's cut from the same warmonger cloth as Hillary.
Both these candidates are deeply troublesome. We just have to pick which one seems like the lesser of two evils.

vote for Satan... why settle for the lesser of two evils?

-Imp

Impenitent wrote:vote for Satan... why settle for the lesser of two evils?

-Imp

If Satan were on the ballot, I'd vote for him, or whatever he is.

thedoc wrote:

Impenitent wrote:vote for Satan... why settle for the lesser of two evils?

-Imp

If Satan were on the ballot, I'd vote for him, or whatever he is.

Exactly...bad judge of character.

At least with Satan you know what you're getting!

artisticsolution wrote:

thedoc wrote:

Impenitent wrote:vote for Satan... why settle for the lesser of two evils?

-Imp

If Satan were on the ballot, I'd vote for him, or whatever he is.

Exactly...bad judge of character.

I would think that Satan would be an extremely good judge of character, it's just that he would pick the worst characters to associate with. But you couldn't do much worse than Hillary, she would probably be his chief of staff, and she would be overjoyed at his choices.

thedoc wrote:

artisticsolution wrote:

thedoc wrote:
If Satan were on the ballot, I'd vote for him, or whatever he is.

Exactly...bad judge of character.

I would think that Satan would be an extremely good judge of character, it's just that he would pick the worst characters to associate with. But you couldn't do much worse than Hillary, she would probably be his chief of staff, and she would be overjoyed at his choices.

There is no such thing as satan. I am saying you are a bad judge of character.

Doesn't it seem a bit melodramatic to equate hillary with satan? Really? Lol

You're going to know he'll, however, if trump gets in. As you watch you grandchildren enter the age of nuclear terrorist attacks started by none other than your presidential pick.

Truth in brevity.

Nothing Trump Says Matters as Much as What Hillary Did
http://www.breitbart.com/big-journalism ... h-hillary/

In general, I don't think we can totally believe much of what we're hearing and seeing through the assessments and reports of others. Everything gets twisted for one agenda or another. I'm basing my opinions on what I see of the candidates words and behavior when they are put on the spot, and you can tell it's far less scripted or planned. Based on that, I form my sense of them.

Anyone in a position of power is at tremendous risk (it seems to me) of losing touch with their soul. It is a vicious game they must play. They may start out with good intentions, but soon they are clawing their way through utterly dark and twisted tunnels of distortion and manipulation. There are so many factors at play... and so many factors AGAINST them constantly... it would seem impossible to walk a straight line with clarity.

When people bash Hillary for all the supposed "evil" she has done, I wonder if they realize how much WORSE is going on all the time by EVERYONE in politics who is not under a mega-spotlight as she has been. Big fucking deal on the private email server. Honestly, I think if a man had done this, people would not be raising such a stink about it. (They would probably applaud him!) Look at all the totally absurd and completely unacceptable stuff that Trump has said from his pulpit of public responsibility. And look at how many people totally over-look ALL of it! Long live the GIANT CLOWN!! It's outrageous and dangerous and insane. But he's a MAN... so be it!

Whether some people want to admit it or not, I think they hate Hillary because she's a woman who has risen to power. That automatically makes her a "bitch" in our culture. Yet, she has a career of helping people, and she clearly isn't set on destroying people and their lives! Surely she wants to set an exceptional example if she becomes the first female president! Yes, she has been chewed up in the machine for so long, that she's a different "product" than when she went in. Still, she's not the devil -- she just knows the corridors of Hell. She has had to be tough... EVEN TOUGHER THAN A MAN... to get through what she has. That's ADMIRABLE... and I give her a lot of credit for that. Meanwhile, Donald is such a complete and obvious ASS... who cannot even have an ordinary conversation without blurting out things like a bratty child. I think the majority of his popularity is because people WANT THE SYSTEM TO IMPODE! It's not about HIM... it's about the utter UNDOING that he represents. But, seriously? We want to put a GIANT CLOWN in charge of everything?

There is no god. This is a demonstration of the limitless absurdity WE can create and entangle ourselves in and fight with and be deluded by. Magnificent! Enjoy!

It’s all-out attack on Trump now. He’s not backing down. He recently stated that Obama and Clinton are the founders of ISIS. No one else has the guts to say it.


Principle follows example:
From the previous link in the tread.

“Comedian Evan Sayet notes that the modern left-winger rejects adulthood and romanticizes the narcissistic socialism of kindergarten. What that means for media bias is that Republicans are cast in the role of censorious parents, while Democrats are the rebellious, romantic teenagers.

“As ‘parents,’ Republicans are the constant targets of resentment — but are also expected to pay for what Democrats want to buy. If they disagree, it is because they are unfair. And they are never allowed to deviate from the principles they preach.

“The Democrats, on the other hand, are rewarded for utopian dreams, however unrealistic. Their excesses are always excused; in fact, they are celebrated when they break the rules. And when they govern, they are never held responsible for their failures.”

artisticsolution wrote:I have noticed for quite a while how most people are so quick to punish the slightest indiscretion

I'm not sure what sorts of things you're referring to there, but I doubt it describes any disposition I have.