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I asked myself the question in English and the word that came to my mind was:

a wretch.

It could be the weather, it could be the mood, it could be lots of reasons.

A word comes to your mind and should this word express the complex entity which is a human being ?

If I asked myself the question in another language a different word would have come to my mind, probably not a translation of "wretch" but something different.

Or do you mean that the truth is not expressed by a word but by a feeling that one feels inside of oneself as an answer to a perticular personal question ?

duszek wrote:I asked myself the question in English and the word that came to my mind was:

a wretch.

It could be the weather, it could be the mood, it could be lots of reasons.

A word comes to your mind and should this word express the complex entity which is a human being ?

If I asked myself the question in another language a different word would have come to my mind, probably not a translation of "wretch" but something different.

Or do you mean that the truth is not expressed by a word but by a feeling that one feels inside of oneself as an answer to a perticular personal question ?

Asking yourself who am I is one of the most precious things you can do for yourself simply because life is precious. Humans want to know things. So why not start with asking yourself who you are...the answers to truth are always found in silence, this is the only real education you can give to yourself rather than listening to what others have told you about you, or what you've read in a book. The truth is not found in the false dictatorial programming that's been spoon fed to you by a sick insane society who detest any one who dare to think for them self. Intelligence is not about being educated. A manifested Life that is fully capable of getting off it's own springboard without instruction is what I consider to be the only intelligence, the only true power.Life didn't come with a ready made tutorial manual of how to be, and yet here it is, free as the wind appearing spontaneously, of which the amazing intelligence manifest as a human body is just one of a myriad of it's unique expressions. Thinking for yourself is the only true education. Know thyself, by and for yourself only, because only you can know you. when everyone knows self, then and only then can we work together as team one consciousness.

So who am I?

The answer that came to dontaskme was...and I'm using words to describe my answer because that's the only way the imagination can come alive as a reality, because words imply there is a knower of self via conceptual understanding, although in truth there is only this timeless non-conceptual self knowing where nothing need be understood. So there is not a time bound conceptual self knowing the non-conceptual self. The non-conceptual self is already this timeless silent one that never moves or changes, is unborn and cannot die. But it's real. And is that in which the conceptual self arises. It's the only real there is. It's present in life and in death, both states are the same state one being the eternal nothingness of silence the other being the everythingness of all comings and goings appearing in it...and without it absolutely nothing could ever be.

So this was my answer that came to me...I am Silent Seeing I am this immediate transparent Awareness that looks without judgement. It sees the games of the small mind which wants to feel superior through separation typically expressed as human drama. Only god knows who the heck they think they are.

This Silent Seeing I am is the full Emptiness, sometimes called Buddha Mind or Christ Consciousness. It is before time, it is the timeless one Light of Now in which all thoughts, ideas, names and forms dissolve leaving no trace.

Oh and thank you duszek for being a good sport and coming out to play today.

Dontaskme wrote:But don't write reams and reams of comments, just simple straight to the point answers will suffice...thanks in advance.

How come you get to write reams and reams of comments, but other people are supposed to only offer simple straight to the point answers?

Dontaskme wrote:Truth is here now. There is only truth. Any thought about truth is mental chatter and is not truth.

Truth has to be listened to, not spoken about. If you listen carefully without uttering a word about it, truth will silently whisper to you if you are willing to listen to it. But if you attempt to find it in intellectual mental understandings using the knowledge you have available, this will not bring you to truth, it will divert you away.

Every religion is pointing to the same truth that you already know within you.

Interpreting a sign post to truth as the actual truth is not the truth. We cannot blame the signpost for not being the truth.

If you oppose the obvious truth here now you will cover it over. Truth is the realisation and remembering that here there is no opposition.

OP is complete nonsense and babble!! Farfetched feverish random ravings!! Amazing that so many waste time on this, because they have no critical sense to see it for what it really is ..or more like ..what it lacks..

OP have NO clue what so ever ..plz move on to a poetry forum where you can continue your mad rambles!!

Lacewing wrote:

Dontaskme wrote:But don't write reams and reams of comments, just simple straight to the point answers will suffice...thanks in advance.

How come you get to write reams and reams of comments, but other people are supposed to only offer simple straight to the point answers?

Good point!

Ordinarily, people are free to write a whole book on their thoughts, beliefs, opinions etc.. regarding the nature of self ..but my point in general in the request for self inquiry was to ask for a simple straight forward answer to the question ''Who Am I'' ...and then once they've done that we could perhaps delve into their realisation a bit deeper and discuss at length their answers...but only if they are willing to do so of course.

Maybe I should have stated that back in the post more clearly..

Dontaskme wrote:Okay..moving on then....

Ask your self, who am I ?

And wait for the answer to come...that'll be the truth.

Try it, and for those who are happy little sports and want to play the human drama with me, report back with your findings?

But don't write reams and reams of comments, just simple straight to the point answers will suffice...thanks in advance.

This is hilarious considering I have been asking dontaskme to clarify, with simple straightforward responses, the EXACT same questions. But to no avail at all.

I have already asked this question and answered it.

There is 'i', named ken, which is just the set of thoughts and feelings living within one human body, i.e., the one who thinks, it knows. Then,

There is 'I', named God, which is the ALL-seeing and All-knowing living within every body, i.e., the One who does know.

I wrote back with My findings.

In the most simplest straightforward response to the question, who am I, the answer that came is God.

Now let us begin.

Dontaskme wrote:
Ordinarily, people are free to write a whole book on their thoughts, beliefs, opinions etc.. regarding the nature of self ..but my point in general in the request for self inquiry was to ask for a simple straight forward answer to the question ''Who Am I'' ...and then once they've done that we could perhaps delve into their realisation a bit deeper and discuss at length their answers...but only if they are willing to do so of course.

'I', am God.

Let us see how deep dontaskme will keep delving and how long will keep discussing this answer.

Within the essential changeless emptiness of reality arises an illusory world of temporary sensory perception.
Illusory things cannot be held onto. While silent emptiness is what always remains. That is who you are. Essentially you are the imagination of yourself arising in emptiness.

All Ideas about GODS are conceptual and sensory imaginings including the empty held principle that there is indeed an individual experiencing entity to whom every experience is happening. No such entity exist, the very idea are these pure fictional phantom dream perceptions appearing as a reality within the imagined perceiver. Senses ARE but no one experiences them. The thought ''I AM experiencing'', is just a thought. There is no one HERE having such a thought.

With this comes the stark realisation that nothing is ever happening in the sense it's only life continuously happening Now. Everything is contained now there is no other place to contain the contents of now, there's just living here and now where nothing can be held onto permanently.

Awareness of these words right now..awareness of thinking and 'thinking of awareness' are not the same as being aware.Awareness is the essential changeless emptiness in which sensory perception and thought appears. Words, no matter how one likes to believe otherwise, never reveal absolute truth, they're just mind activity, just individual world views. All dream stories arising in nothing.

Someone could realize:

I am part of nature, part of the universe, there is no longer any proper "I", only an "eye".

Would this be the state of nirvana that so many buddhists are seeking ?

duszek wrote:Someone could realize:

I am part of nature, part of the universe, there is no longer any proper "I", only an "eye".

Would this be the state of nirvana that so many buddhists are seeking ?

It could be. Or there could be no such thing and it is just another form of self delusion.

duszek wrote:Someone could realize:

I am part of nature, part of the universe, there is no longer any proper "I", only an "eye".

Would this be the state of nirvana that so many buddhists are seeking ?

hello duszek... I agree with the notion that there is no personal I...Life is living itself impersonally. The personal self is a superimposed conceptual overlay ..an imagined entity, which is so convincingly real it's hardly ever questioned. The bizarre thing about reality is the very illusion that is a human ego can also reverse the mental process of belief in an objective I ...and come to the realisation that life is a subjective phenomena and not lived from an ego perspective, it is lived purely from no perspective whatsoever. In fact life is silence living itself, it's so beautiful. All noise arises and dissolves into this boundlessly free silence alive now....that's who we are in essence...that's what the buddha calls the bliss of being alive, bliss is our core nature, like the eye in the storm. humans are searching to rest in the eye of the storm , here is their natural bliss... The wise will rest in their empty centre while the ego obsessive me me me types will be pulled more toward the illusory whirlpool of human mental and emotional dramas, made up of belief, ideas and concepts...in other words the unreal mentally constructed stories of personal self, which is believed to be real.

Reality has a way of leaving it's artificially created life it creates for itself...this is the beauty of Non /duality. An I that creates itself can also destroy itself. Or it can live in two worlds at once. And that's known as being in the world but not of it. The imagination is so creative, although no thing has ever been seen or created, things appear to be... and concepts give each appearance their reality and are instantly known in the exact same moment one with the knowing..... creation therefore, is comparable to a dream.



The appearance of a separate I can be removed using the same I..It takes an I to remove an I ... The question overlooked here is where did the I come from....? the answer is very simple...it comes from the same place every other idea comes from...nowhere. Humans are actually seeking for freedom rather than purpose or meaning...purpose or meaning do not exist in reality, they are human mental constructs ..the aha moment comes when there is the realisation that life is already the boundless freedom sought. Dropping the assumed/believed separate I feels like the human is losing something very dear to them, but it's actually one of the most profound feelings of freedom ever to those who dare to go there and drop their identity. Ordinarily, it doesn't work in the world ...but some people are able to hold two opposing thoughts at the same time, one thought is of being present in the human drama and the other is the knowing that there is no one acting out the human drama.... in that it's all much a do about nothing.

There is a place of perfect peace but no one lives there.....< that is the cosmic joke.
Those that do live there are said to be the enlightened ones. The ones who have at one time believed in the existence of a separate entity, but have had an awakening from that illusion of separateness to oneness...the ego dies in that realisation and dissolves back into the empty boundlessness of life living for an by itself.

This is why life is comparable to a dream... this is the freedom humans call nirvana, it is the clarity or realisation that there is no one manning the ship, and that the person believed to be living between the ears does not exist except as a thought.

There is a beautiful freedom in that realisation - it's likened to being in the baby / child like state, or old age / or the state of being an animal, it's living life without fear or a personal agenda, it's a beautiful effortless way to live. The mind that holds onto the belief in a personal entity is never free, it is servant to it's imagined beliefs...a free mind is an unshackled mind. It is to be fearless and is what's known by the enlightened ones as nirvana. Obviously fear will still arise, but it's not identified with as belonging to the one whom the fear is arising in, it's known to be just an empty passing sensation. Nirvana is just another name for total freedom to be. Life is already this total free to be, it is already enlightened....and that's who we are, and that's all that's happening to no one but life.

Does cosmic joke mean that we don´t take anything and anyone seriously any more ?
Including oneself of course.

Is it not a slippery road to nihilism ?

Dontaskme wrote:

ken wrote:
I have warned you already. Do NOT tell others what they can or can not do.

I have no desire to speak to people who tell me to ''Do NOT tell others what they can or can not do.''

But when you tell people to "Stop the mental chatter" and "Listen" that is perfectly when you do it, correct?

Dontaskme wrote:Telling people to stop doing what they can't do is disrespectful.

I KNOW, that is what I said. Are you saying here that you can not stop doing what you are doing?

Dontaskme wrote:Your strategy for a lively engaging professional debate with others is deeply flawed... please go way and stop insulting my intelligence.

You can see what is happening here right?

ken wrote:

Dontaskme wrote:
Ordinarily, people are free to write a whole book on their thoughts, beliefs, opinions etc.. regarding the nature of self ..but my point in general in the request for self inquiry was to ask for a simple straight forward answer to the question ''Who Am I'' ...and then once they've done that we could perhaps delve into their realisation a bit deeper and discuss at length their answers...but only if they are willing to do so of course.

'I', am God.

Let us see how deep dontaskme will keep delving and how long will keep discussing this answer.

Obviously this was not simple and straight to the point enough

duszek wrote:Does cosmic joke mean that we don´t take anything and anyone seriously any more ?
Including oneself of course.

It just means there is nothing here living that knows it's living. Life is living itself, there is no authority, no rules, just life doing what it does spontaneously,freely and effortlessly. Not taking people or anything seriously is non applicable anyway since that too is fictional story. A story we can choose to play or not ..it is the wish of the individual characters whether they do or not. Some of the characters believe their character role is real, while other characters know the character is a fictional one.

Life does not actually know it is alive...even though it is self evidently intelligent, functioning and self organising.

Only language is alive. Language is fiction arising and falling in life. Life is what it is as it appears ... it's just what's happening to no thing. No one is making it happen, and no one can change what's happening or wish it to be any different than how it appears to be...with the exception of the imagined character who plays the game of life is happening to me, and I can change things, or make things happen...and I know stuff..all fictional story acted out by a phantom character and believed to be real, all knowing by a character is illusory...the characters knowing comes from language which is illusory knowing.



Humans live in their imagined self created story made of language which is a superimposed play over this already tacit unknown knowing life living itself... life knows how to function but there is no thing that knows how the life knows...except as a fictional story.

duszek wrote:Is it not a slippery road to nihilism ?

No not at all...that there is a someone on the road to nihilism is just a fictional story arising and has nothing to do with reality as it really is.

There is nothing here in life except the chatter of the human mind which manifests as sound turned into words,...when all mind chatter stops what remains is empty silence and images, there is no one or thing behind the image - images are what they are, no one is looking at them, they're just appearing from nothing and seen by nothing.