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Jaded Sage wrote:It's only offensive if offense is taken. In her case, she'd be flattered. In you I see hypocrisy, rudeness, self-righteousness, and presumptuousness. It's more productive to work on your own faults than it is to point out pretend faults in others.

Only because it had never entered your head and that pisses you off because you consider yourself to be a philosopher. I'm sure she would be flattered. That's not the point. It's the concept that's offensive and belittling. Philosophy is only different ways of looking at things, and ideas that either catch on or they don't. Think of yourself as just a little bit more aware now.

I'm a fan of the saying that what others think of you is none of your business. A person who gets upset when they are not admired is a person who's going to spend a lot of time being upset.

Besides, we tend to be too caught up admiring our own brilliance to care much about what a bunch of 'tards think of us ;)

Greta wrote:I'm a fan of the saying that what others think of you is none of your business.

Respect.

A different approach is possible too: you can try things out and see how people react.
You can play the prediction game and you will never get bored.

I am usually underdressed and wear no make-up etc. and people are slightly annoyed by it at times. And this amuses me because that way I challenge their efforts to look "attractive".

Of course, if people started to treat me as a leper and ostricised me then I would change my conduct very soon.
But I prefer to find out what I can get away with and what not.
What works and what doesn´t and why.

I love to surprise people in my own way.

We can also admire another person´s body language.

We try to express this charm in words by saying: this person has a special magical aura.

Inspector Colombo from LA was about 2 or 3 I would say but his body language was a solid 8.

Greta wrote:I'm a fan of the saying that what others think of you is none of your business. A person who gets upset when they are not admired is a person who's going to spend a lot of time being upset.

Besides, we tend to be too caught up admiring our own brilliance to care much about what a bunch of 'tards think of us

That works in this end but not in the other, I think. If you do something that annoys people you bloody well want to know about it, so you can correct it, or continue to do the stuff and irritate people in a way you control yourselt. Don't you agree?

Ansiktsburk wrote:If you do something that annoys people you bloody well want to know about it, so you can correct it, or continue to do the stuff and irritate people in a way you control yourselt. Don't you agree?

I agree. I can't see the point in going to great lengths to annoy someone without being able to tell how successful you've been.

duszek wrote: I am usually underdressed and wear no make-up etc. and people are slightly annoyed by it at times. And this amuses me because that way I challenge their efforts to look "attractive".

Soon after we met, I told my wife that I would rather see her, than a layer of paint. So now she doesn't wear makeup, just the occasional lipstick that is almost a natural color. I think she wears it more as a colored chap stick in cold weather.

duszek wrote:It seems to me that many men are resentful against women because they do not feel admired by them as they think they should be.

Is there a solution to this problem ?
What if they got admiration from a pet like from a dog ? A female dog particularly.

Those guys need porn, not women.

Ansiktsburk wrote:

Greta wrote:I'm a fan of the saying that what others think of you is none of your business. A person who gets upset when they are not admired is a person who's going to spend a lot of time being upset.

Besides, we tend to be too caught up admiring our own brilliance to care much about what a bunch of 'tards think of us ;)

That works in this end but not in the other, I think. If you do something that annoys people you bloody well want to know about it, so you can correct it, or continue to do the stuff and irritate people in a way you control yourselt. Don't you agree?

Once I would have said yes. All those decades worrying about the fact that I was pissing people off without knowing what I did. Day after day of concern over faux pas and faulty display behaviour. A couple of years ago something clicked inside of me. I think it was a combination of my elder sister and father dying in quick succession, subsequent retirement and soon afterwards a peak experience.

I became less interested in what others thought of me and found my prior efforts to impress others or gain their approval to be embarrassing. I increasingly disconnected from the world of social norms and rediscovered my youthful fascination with nature, space and existentialism.

Soon we'll all be in a box anyway, so people can think what they will for all it matters. If I approach my transactions in good faith then I am satisfied. Those who reject me for being myself will be better off without me in their lives, and me without them. That's a win/win so I don't need to change anything. That's the luxury of getting older. Given how our ageing bodies give us so much gyp, there has to be some benefits. One benefit is the relative freedom from the tyranny of public opinion.

Greta wrote:

Ansiktsburk wrote:

Greta wrote:I'm a fan of the saying that what others think of you is none of your business. A person who gets upset when they are not admired is a person who's going to spend a lot of time being upset.

Besides, we tend to be too caught up admiring our own brilliance to care much about what a bunch of 'tards think of us

That works in this end but not in the other, I think. If you do something that annoys people you bloody well want to know about it, so you can correct it, or continue to do the stuff and irritate people in a way you control yourselt. Don't you agree?

Once I would have said yes. All those decades worrying about the fact that I was pissing people off without knowing what I did. Day after day of concern over faux pas and faulty display behaviour. A couple of years ago something clicked inside of me. I think it was a combination of my elder sister and father dying in quick succession, subsequent retirement and soon afterwards a peak experience.

I became less interested in what others thought of me and found my prior efforts to impress others or gain their approval to be embarrassing. I increasingly disconnected from the world of social norms and rediscovered my youthful fascination with nature, space and existentialism.

Soon we'll all be in a box anyway, so people can think what they will for all it matters. If I approach my transactions in good faith then I am satisfied. Those who reject me for being myself will be better off without me in their lives, and me without them. That's a win/win so I don't need to change anything. That's the luxury of getting older. Given how our ageing bodies give us so much gyp, there has to be some benefits. One benefit is the relative freedom from the tyranny of public opinion.

Getting older and freer is lovely, Greta.

Reminds me of what someone's 92 year old mother exhulted with her last breath; 'This is MY day!'

Dalek Prime wrote:Getting older and freer is lovely, Greta.

Reminds me of what someone's 92 year old mother exhulted with her last breath; 'This is MY day!'

Yes, letting go of approval is a relief, Davros. I wish I'd stopped worrying so much decades ago, but better late than never.

Love the last words! :))

People who want to be admired often try to ingratiate.

Who is the stronger and the more powerful: the admirer or the admiree ?

I get power over people who like to be admired and so can manipulate them if I want.

What is Woody Allen´s score ? 3 ?

And some do admire his awkwardness because they can identify with him and because he has become rich nonwithstanding.

There is also some fake stuttering among certain Americans, they want to trigger the instinct of sympathy and caring, I suppose.
They want some strong and rich woman to press them to her bosom ...

If we admire someone we want to be like this person.

We admire our role models.
Or: if we have role models it is because we admire some features in them and want to adopt these features.

What are your idols ? If it´s not too personal.