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Re: Why question the way the world has been created?/ Different lifespans
Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 12:42 pm
by Elkric
Walker wrote:
Funny thing though. Evolution is gradual but evolutionary change happens in a blink. It’s like water dripping into a balloon one drop at a time. Takes a long time to fill up but when it does, the change is fast.
In evolutionary terms the fast change is that moment of light at conception. Everything pre and post is one drop at a time for in the linear world attention is singular though muti-tasking is fast: the glance, the fragrance, the touch, the wine, the cigarette ... all evolving to the big biological balloon flash burst of evolutionary change.
What do you mean?
What do you think the difference is between evolution and evolutionary change?
Evolution is change so I don't see how there can be any meaningful difference.
Can you give some example of an evolutionary change you think happens in a blink?
Most meaningful changes would be the result of many mutations working together.
And even a simple change that only took one mutation would take many generations to spread through the population.
Re: Why question the way the world has been created?/ Different lifespans
Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 1:31 pm
by Walker
Hello. Let's see what turns up.
Re: Why question the way the world has been created?/ Different lifespans
Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 2:58 pm
by Dalek Prime
Walker's waiting for evolution to produce another John Galt, Elkric.
Re: Why question the way the world has been created?/ Different lifespans
Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 3:15 pm
by thedoc
Walker wrote:thedoc wrote:Walker wrote:To evolve implies slow development into a more advanced state, which requires change. However, I think people can mistakenly think that all change is evolution when evidence shows that some change is rot.
No, evolution is just the change in an organism to adapt to a changing environment. Sometimes that change appears to be to an advanced state but it is only to better fit the conditions that the organism is living in. People don't always understand the whole picture that an organism is facing, and draw incorrect conclusions about the fitness of an organism to the environment.
Can the nature of this change ever be
devolution? If so, then the change would not be evolution to a more advanced state, but it still would be change in adaptation to environment.
There is no such thing as "devolution", evolution is one way, a change to fit the environment. If a more simple organism is more successful at surviving and reproducing, then that is the organism that will fill that niche. Devolution is a term coined by those who have no understanding of evolution. Devolution doesn't happen.
Re: Why question the way the world has been created?/ Different lifespans
Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 7:02 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Walker wrote:evolution
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evolution
2a : a process of change in a certain direction : unfolding
b : the action or an instance of forming and giving something off : emission
c (1) : a process of continuous change from a lower, simpler, or worse to a higher, more complex, or better state : growth (2) : a process of gradual and relatively peaceful social, political, and economic advance
The last refuge of a foo;, what he knows nothing about, he consults a dictionary.
Re: Why question the way the world has been created?/ Different lifespans
Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 9:04 pm
by thedoc
Hobbes' Choice wrote:Walker wrote:evolution
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evolution
2a : a process of change in a certain direction : unfolding
b : the action or an instance of forming and giving something off : emission
c (1) : a process of continuous change from a lower, simpler, or worse to a higher, more complex, or better state : growth (2) : a process of gradual and relatively peaceful social, political, and economic advance
The last refuge of a foo;, what he knows nothing about,
he consults a dictionary.
The dictionary gives what the consensus is of what the general population believes, and better defines the delusion.
Re: Why question the way the world has been created?/ Different lifespans
Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 9:09 pm
by thedoc
Walker wrote:evolution
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evolution
2a : a process of change in a certain direction : unfolding
b : the action or an instance of forming and giving something off : emission
c (1) :
a process of continuous change from a lower, simpler, or worse to a higher, more complex, or better state : growth (2) : a process of gradual and relatively peaceful social, political, and economic advance
This is a common misconception, to believe that evolution means to get more complex and to advance to a higher state.
Evolution is a change to better fit a changed environment, and if that means getting simpler and less complex, that is evolution.
Re: Why question the way the world has been created?/ Different lifespans
Posted: Thu May 19, 2016 9:16 pm
by thedoc
To answer the OP, to question the way the world is, is to learn and grow in knowledge. To not question, is to stagnate into religious dogma. Humans don't have a bigger brain to not use it. It doesn't matter where human intelligence came from, humans have intelligence to use, not to be squandered by adopting religion to explain everything.
Re: Why question the way the world has been created?/ Different lifespans
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 2:25 am
by Walker
thedoc wrote:Hobbes' Choice wrote:Walker wrote:evolution
http://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/evolution
2a : a process of change in a certain direction : unfolding
b : the action or an instance of forming and giving something off : emission
c (1) : a process of continuous change from a lower, simpler, or worse to a higher, more complex, or better state : growth (2) : a process of gradual and relatively peaceful social, political, and economic advance
The last refuge of a foo;, what he knows nothing about,
he consults a dictionary.
The dictionary gives what the consensus is of what the general population believes, and better defines the delusion.
Interesting. Perhaps the day is coming when anyone with superior insight can edit the dictionary ... like Wiki.
Re: Why question the way the world has been created?/ Different lifespans
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 2:29 am
by Walker
devolve: to degenerate through a gradual change or evolution.
Old Hobbes, characteristically evolving into degeneration by rarely failing to be predictable.
Re: Why question the way the world has been created?/ Different lifespans
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 3:10 am
by Walker
Elkric wrote:Can you give some example of an evolutionary change you think happens in a blink?
Sure, this popped up right away. At the blink in time the little mutant is conceived.
Re: Why question the way the world has been created?/ Different lifespans
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 3:45 am
by Dalek Prime
Walker wrote:Elkric wrote:Can you give some example of an evolutionary change you think happens in a blink?
Sure, this popped up right away. At the blink in time the little mutant is conceived.
I didn't know you had kids, Walker. Or is this a self-reference?
Re: Why question the way the world has been created?/ Different lifespans
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 4:31 am
by Walker
It’s like a wack-a-mole!
Though not all mutants survive, mutation is required for evolution. It is said that in mice and men the moment is marked by a flash of light. That is the blink in time, in the spotlight so to speak. Natural selection and all that fork-in-the-road stuff hinges on that moment.
Re: Why question the way the world has been created?/ Different lifespans
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 4:41 am
by Dalek Prime
Walker wrote:It’s like a wack-a-mole!
Though not all mutants survive, mutation is required for evolution. It is said that in mice and men the moment is marked by a flash of light. That is the blink in time, in the spotlight so to speak. Natural selection and all that fork-in-the-road stuff hinges on that moment.
Oddly enough, I do get what you're saying. Whatever lead to that moment, it comes to fruition in the moment. Still, something lead to it which took longer, and led to the tendency.
Re: Why question the way the world has been created?/ Different lifespans
Posted: Fri May 20, 2016 11:11 am
by Walker
Dalek Prime wrote:Walker wrote:It’s like a wack-a-mole!
Though not all mutants survive, mutation is required for evolution. It is said that in mice and men the moment is marked by a flash of light. That is the blink in time, in the spotlight so to speak. Natural selection and all that fork-in-the-road stuff hinges on that moment.
Oddly enough, I do get what you're saying. Whatever lead to that moment, it comes to fruition in the moment. Still, something lead to it which took longer, and led to the tendency.
May you have many more moments of clarity while veering through the over-stimulated throes of distraction tugging at your attention in that world.
Bottom line: no mutant, no evolution.
Any examples or records of surviving human mutants to empirically bolster the Theory of Evolution?