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Re: Are driverless cars safer than human-driven cars?
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:24 am
by Greta
Driverless cars would be than me! I can't wait
What a boon to take so much drudgery out of people's lives - to be able to relax while a machine does the work, just as washing machines did.
If AI achieves a comparable number of crashes, injuries and fatalities to those achieved by people then I'd consider that acceptable, especially given the improvements in quality of life. Also, once the system became more settled it would be easier to improve an AI-based road toll to improving human tolls. You can program a machine and it follows requests. You can also "program" humans with education and conditioning, but they are less likely to be obedient, definitely less likely to drive when angry, tired or drunk, or when on the phone. They won't get lost, booked or act aggressively.
Re: Are driverless cars safer than human-driven cars?
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:36 am
by thedoc
Greta wrote:Driverless cars would be than me! I can't wait
What a boon to take so much drudgery out of people's lives - to be able to relax while a machine does the work, just as washing machines did.
I agree that some people would willingly give up the drudgery of driving if they could, but others enjoy the act of driving a car. It must be remembered that
One size does not fit all and both preferences must be accommodated even if that means separate highways to accommodate both. People should not be forced to give in to those who would tell everyone how to live and what to do.
Re: Are driverless cars safer than human-driven cars?
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 1:51 am
by Philosophy Explorer
thedoc wrote:Greta wrote:Driverless cars would be than me! I can't wait
What a boon to take so much drudgery out of people's lives - to be able to relax while a machine does the work, just as washing machines did.
I agree that some people would willingly give up the drudgery of driving if they could, but others enjoy the act of driving a car. It must be remembered that
One size does not fit all and both preferences must be accommodated even if that means separate highways to accommodate both. People should not be forced to give in to those who would tell everyone how to live and what to do.
Hi Doc,
With drunk driving or drugs, what do you propose to do about that in relationship to driving?
PhilX
Re: Are driverless cars safer than human-driven cars?
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:01 am
by thedoc
Philosophy Explorer wrote:thedoc wrote:Greta wrote:Driverless cars would be than me! I can't wait
What a boon to take so much drudgery out of people's lives - to be able to relax while a machine does the work, just as washing machines did.
I agree that some people would willingly give up the drudgery of driving if they could, but others enjoy the act of driving a car. It must be remembered that
One size does not fit all and both preferences must be accommodated even if that means separate highways to accommodate both. People should not be forced to give in to those who would tell everyone how to live and what to do.
Hi Doc,
With drunk driving or drugs, what do you propose to do about that in relationship to driving?
PhilX
There are already laws and vehicle codes to deal with these issues, enforce the laws on the books before you demand more. The truth is that the justice dept doesn't enforce the laws that exist, so more laws are going to have no more effect than the ones we already have.
Re: Are driverless cars safer than human-driven cars?
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 2:38 am
by Obvious Leo
From a technological point of view it would be a lot easier to design a driverless car than it would be to design a system of law enforcement which could guarantee that all transgressors would be required to account to the criminal justice system. Furthermore it wouldn't help much because even in principle they could only be detected AFTER they'd fucked up. The driverless car eliminates the possibility of both driver error and willful driver stupidity so from a road safety point of view it's a no-brainer. It would also be a lot cheaper than having a cop on every corner and a vast collective of parasitic lawyers living handsomely on the gift that keeps on giving.
Re: Are driverless cars safer than human-driven cars?
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:56 am
by Arising_uk
Obvious Leo wrote:... Musk's speculative vision could be made extraordinarily safe and remarkably energy efficient if the entire network was electrified.
They're called trams and trains.
Re: Are driverless cars safer than human-driven cars?
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 3:57 am
by Arising_uk
What happens if the car is hacked?
Re: Are driverless cars safer than human-driven cars?
Posted: Thu Jan 14, 2016 4:09 am
by thedoc
Arising_uk wrote:What happens if the car is hacked?
Pass a law, don't more laws cure everything?
Re: Are driverless cars safer than human-driven cars?
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 8:36 am
by Greta
thedoc wrote:Greta wrote:Driverless cars would be than me! I can't wait
What a boon to take so much drudgery out of people's lives - to be able to relax while a machine does the work, just as washing machines did.
I agree that some people would willingly give up the drudgery of driving if they could, but others enjoy the act of driving a car. It must be remembered that
One size does not fit all and both preferences must be accommodated even if that means separate highways to accommodate both. People should not be forced to give in to those who would tell everyone how to live and what to do.
True, some people love driving. Probably the type who enjoyed go-carts as kids. I obviously personally like the option of going driverless. I never thought of it as compulsory, just an option. AI is supposed to sense and respond in human ways in human traffic conditions. It's obviously much harder to program up a good and reliable driver than programming up a chess grand master because of the physicality of cars and driving.
I can imagine it would be a legitimate fear of driving enthusiasts that governments may decide that it's best if all vehicles are driverless, which would make them much easier to coordinate. Aside from the risk that the machine makes a mindless catastrophic error, the greater fear would seem to simply be congestion. How much fun is it to crawl along in traffic jams? Wouldn't you rather lean back and read a book or surfed the net while the AI looked after the fiddly stop-start stuff?
Re: Are driverless cars safer than human-driven cars?
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 2:15 pm
by HexHammer
BigWhit wrote:I fail to see how a self driving car that references multiple highly accurate sensors with extreme precision and relentless attention could be more dangerous than an aloof driver of a 3 ton SUV driving down the freeway at 80mph while paying more attention to their frappe and phone than the road ahead of them. Hell, every single accident the google SDCs have been involved in were the fault of a person driven vehicle. Even according to that article you posted of the 10 incidents requiring a manual takeover for safety reasons that would have resulted in the car striking an object 2 of them were cones. I'd ask anyone to drive 1.3 million miles with the record they have especially in California traffic.
As for the SDC "sacrificing" it's driver to save others I don't get why it's a big deal. If the SDC comes to the same conclusion any self respecting and life valuing human would if behind the wheel then I fail to see why this is a big deal. If I had the choice between running my car into a pole or running over school kids I'd pick the pole even if it meant my death. I fail to see how an SDC doing the same thing is some kind of ethical dillemma.
You clearly don't know what you are talking about.
Just over the past years there's bee about 400 incidents/accidents with Google cars, yet Google only reported 74 cases of the Google car involved in anything serious, so Google are withholding critical information, and even trying to make their car shine brighter than what really is.
Anyone that buys a product would should feel safe about it, and know it wouldn't betray you, and how do you know there's not glitches, bugs and features that will cause a wrong judgement, so it will prematurely kill/sacrifice you?
Re: Are driverless cars safer than human-driven cars?
Posted: Fri Jan 15, 2016 4:56 pm
by BigWhit
I'm assuming google engineers plan on using these things too and don't want the car to randomly drive into a pole at 70mph...
It may be years before the tech is ready for the open road. I'll wait until they've got all the bugs hammered out as I'm not likely to be one of the first to have one of these when they do hit the market.
I do like driving on occasion if the road and scenery is nice but 95% of the time I'm just going from point a to point b and I'd rather be doing something else if I could. They do have a manual override so I don't think it's that big of a deal. Not to mention that there is still going to be card without this tech for as very long time.