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Dalek Prime wrote:I think stupid species survive. The smart ones go extinct on purpose. And dinosaurs just got plumb lucky.

BTW, UA, I think you're right about consciousness being problematic, but to then assert existence as a good thing, when it is the prerequisite for consciousness, is simply ass backwards.

Did I ever 'assert existence as a good thing'? No, existence is something that is indeed 'Beyond Good and Evil'.
But consciousness as soon as you become aware of it makes you aware - And that awareness is where all of
your value judgements come into play. The problem Humans have is that there is a defect in their awareness
- They are aware of values, higher ideals and potentials but for reasons we do not fully understand are incapable
{as of yet} of instituting their idealism. Have you ever even thought about how rapidly your technology could
progess if you stopped trying to find ways of destroying each other in useless and fruitless wars We have
- And if this current communication has no other purpose, it is make you aware that your species still has
the potential to evolve to states higher than your imagination can yet comprehend

I should have said 'implied'. Anyways, I don't care what happens to humanity, though I feel a little for those that will be created in future. But there's nothing I can do to stop that, and I'm not responsible for it.

Dalek Prime wrote:I think stupid species survive. The smart ones go extinct on purpose. And dinosaurs just got plumb lucky.

BTW, UA, I think you're right about consciousness being problematic, but to then assert existence as a good thing, when it is the prerequisite for consciousness, is simply ass backwards.

What do you expect from an alien, but that they do things wrong.

thedoc wrote:

Dalek Prime wrote:I think stupid species survive. The smart ones go extinct on purpose. And dinosaurs just got plumb lucky.

BTW, UA, I think you're right about consciousness being problematic, but to then assert existence as a good thing, when it is the prerequisite for consciousness, is simply ass backwards.

What do you expect from an alien, but that they do things wrong.

Yeah.... Hey, wait a second!...

Dalek Prime wrote:

thedoc wrote:

Dalek Prime wrote:I think stupid species survive. The smart ones go extinct on purpose. And dinosaurs just got plumb lucky.

BTW, UA, I think you're right about consciousness being problematic, but to then assert existence as a good thing, when it is the prerequisite for consciousness, is simply ass backwards.

What do you expect from an alien, but that they do things wrong.

Yeah.... Hey, wait a second!...

OK, I waited more than a second, let the other shoe drop.

Dalek's ARE aliens....

Dalek Prime wrote:Dalek's ARE aliens....

They are also fictional, so are you saying that you really don't exist?

thedoc wrote:

Dalek Prime wrote:Dalek's ARE aliens....

They are also fictional, so are you saying that you really don't exist?

If only lol!

Soon enough...

UniversalAlien wrote: ........So let us again ask you Human - Why are you here? - What can you contribute to the existent paradigm
of your world and our Universe

In some ways the universe will always remain enigmatical and not fully understandable or definable
- And Human meaning is to try to understand the enigma of an Alien Universe.

UniversalAlien wrote:

UniversalAlien wrote: ........So let us again ask you Human - Why are you here? - What can you contribute to the existent paradigm
of your world and our Universe

In some ways the universe will always remain enigmatical and not fully understandable or definable
- And Human meaning is to try to understand the enigma of an Alien Universe.

"Alien Universe" is an oxymoron, there is no such thing, Humans live in the universe, they are part of the universe, so humans are trying to understand the universe they exist in, not something alien to them. What other stupid ideas do you have?

UniversalAlien wrote:

UniversalAlien wrote: ........So let us again ask you Human - Why are you here? - What can you contribute to the existent paradigm
of your world and our Universe

In some ways the universe will always remain enigmatical and not fully understandable or definable
- And Human meaning is to try to understand the enigma of an Alien Universe.

No, that's the meaning you are assigning to humanity. Not an absolute meaning.

Harbal wrote:

Dubious wrote: You do realize that this 'confession' makes YOUR altruistic attempts to upgrade our 'primitive traits' responsible for all of OUR problems. This of course was unknown to us but it supplies a new definition to our concept of Original Sin, namely it passes the buck over to YOU!

...yet here you are, making us the proxy for YOUR failures...a tendency you have made us heirs to. Ergo, being responsible for the problems you are so willing to blame us for, tell! and stop moralizing how you're going fix it since we're clearly off the hook?

Calm down, dear. He's only pretending to be an alien.

We all know that, we're just having a little fun with him, very little.

thedoc wrote:
We all know that, we're just having a little fun with him, very little.

I am pleased that you are having fun Human - Maybe it is fun that keeps your species going
- for if it was a matter of logic your species would have been extinct a long time ago
- But the fun is over - extinction may still be your destiny.

UniversalAlien wrote:

thedoc wrote:
We all know that, we're just having a little fun with him, very little.

I am pleased that you are having fun Human - Maybe it is fun that keeps your species going
- for if it was a matter of logic your species would have been extinct a long time ago
- But the fun is over - extinction may still be your destiny.

I'm thinking of starting a support group for people like you, it will be called "idiots anonymous!" just for you and others like you. I'm thinking Peacegirl would be a good candidate for membership.

UniversalAlien wrote:

thedoc wrote:
We all know that, we're just having a little fun with him, very little.

I am pleased that you are having fun Human - Maybe it is fun that keeps your species going
- for if it was a matter of logic your species would have been extinct a long time ago
- But the fun is over - extinction may still be your destiny.

Harbal was right. You are too deep in your online persona. Ease up, lad.

As to extiction being human destiny, well, no shit, Sherlock. It's every species destiny, if you look far enough. Hardly prophetic.