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If the idea of God is supposed to be serious, God needs to punish evil (or for the Watchmaker God to leave mechanisms in place that do just this). Else God becomes evil oneself and ends up in contradictions to definition and other.

A God that has evil in God self lacks a reason for existence or one fails to distinguish between nature and God, that is, God melts into everything else and vanishes in having a quality of utility. That is, the idea of Heaven and God together becomes weird and such can't be tolerated in having a coherent system of belief. Agree?

Greatest I am wrote: We have no choice and to punish us is immoral.

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DL

It can't be immoral, because punishment is a moral issue. Therefore no action taken by a moral god can be immoral.

Necromancer wrote:If the idea of God is supposed to be serious, God needs to punish evil (or for the Watchmaker God to leave mechanisms in place that do just this). Else God becomes evil oneself and ends up in contradictions to definition and other.

A God that has evil in God self lacks a reason for existence or one fails to distinguish between nature and God, that is, God melts into everything else and vanishes in having a quality of utility. That is, the idea of Heaven and God together becomes weird and such can't be tolerated in having a coherent system of belief. Agree?

No.

Gnostic Christians have gotten around that.

Jesus said, "If those who attract you say, 'See, the Kingdom is in the sky,' then the birds of the sky will precede you.
If they say to you, 'It is under the earth,' then the fish of the sea will precede you.
Rather, the Kingdom of God is inside of you, and it is outside of you.
[Those who] become acquainted with [themselves] will find it; [and when you] become acquainted with yourselves, [you will understand that] it is you who are the sons of the living Father.
But if you will not know yourselves, you dwell in poverty and it is you who are that poverty."

The God we envisage, while still a myth, is all good but some people do do evil.

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DL

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Greatest I am wrote: We have no choice and to punish us is immoral.

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DL

It can't be immoral, because punishment is a moral issue. Therefore no action taken by a moral god can be immoral.

If we are talking of a moral God, you might have a point but the bible God is far from being a moral God.

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DL

Greatest I am wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Greatest I am wrote: We have no choice and to punish us is immoral.

Regards
DL

It can't be immoral, because punishment is a moral issue. Therefore no action taken by a moral god can be immoral.

If we are talking of a moral God, you might have a point but the bible God is far from being a moral God.

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DL

Rubbish, everything god does is godly; therefore moral.
Live with it!

Hobbes' Choice wrote:[

If we are talking of a moral God, you might have a point but the bible God is far from being a moral God.

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DL

Rubbish, everything god does is godly; therefore moral.
Live with it![/quote]

Godly? Perhaps but certainly not moral.

Unless you think murdering innocent children and babies to be moral.

Only a real believer would call that moral.

All intelligent and moral people will know that it is not.

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DL

Greatest I am wrote: Godly? Perhaps but certainly not moral.

Unless you think murdering innocent children and babies to be moral.

Only a real believer would call that moral.

All intelligent and moral people will know that it is not.

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DL

God is moral, what god does is moral. It is moral because god does it.
Democracy makes democratic rules.
Suck it over.

Thanks for showing your lack of moral sense.

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DL

Greatest I am wrote:

attofishpi wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:Is it moral for God to punish us?

Do you think God would be morally justified to condemn a man to reincarnate as the beast, if this man raped and murdered a twelve year old girl?

Ask the victim. Would she find justice in that or not? The first priority should be the victim should it not?

When you understand the actual power that God has, you would understand that it is plausible, and extremely likely that this girl never suffered. The actual suffering remains in the family and friends of the girl that have now lost her.

Why don't you just answer the original question. Do you think God would be morally justified to condemn a man to reincarnate as the beast, if this man raped and murdered a twelve year old girl?

Greatest I am wrote:Thanks for showing your lack of moral sense.

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DL

Thanks for being such a dick when it comes to democracy.

As for the morality - blame god not me, I'm an atheist.

attofishpi wrote: Do you think God would be morally justified to condemn a man to reincarnate as the beast, if this man raped and murdered a twelve year old girl?

It doesn't seem applicable. Shouldn't a god be beyond such games as moral justification and condemnation if, in fact, that god created everything in the first place?

attofishpi wrote: When you understand the actual power that God has, you would understand that it is plausible, and extremely likely that this girl never suffered.

Riiiiiggggghhhhhttttt! Let's believe THAT! If we are to understand this "actual power" of the god you speak of, why is this god so freakin' twisted and dramatic as to have a child be raped, but then SAVE her from the suffering? The drama belongs to humans... and THEY created this dramatic god to play it all out.

Lacewing wrote:

attofishpi wrote: Do you think God would be morally justified to condemn a man to reincarnate as the beast, if this man raped and murdered a twelve year old girl?

It doesn't seem applicable. Shouldn't a god be beyond such games as moral justification and condemnation if, in fact, that god created everything in the first place?

attofishpi wrote: When you understand the actual power that God has, you would understand that it is plausible, and extremely likely that this girl never suffered.

Riiiiiggggghhhhhttttt! Let's believe THAT! If we are to understand this "actual power" of the god you speak of, why is this god so freakin' twisted and dramatic as to have a child be raped, but then SAVE her from the suffering? The drama belongs to humans... and THEY created this dramatic god to play it all out.

When it comes to God you know fuck all, so stop wasting my time with what 'seems' to be applicable to your ignorant mind.

attofishpi wrote:[

Do you think God would be morally justified to condemn a man to reincarnate as the beast, if this man raped and murdered a twelve year old girl?

Ask the victim. Would she find justice in that or not? The first priority should be the victim should it not?
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When you understand the actual power that God has, you would understand that it is plausible, and extremely likely that this girl never suffered. The actual suffering remains in the family and friends of the girl that have now lost her.

Why don't you just answer the original question. Do you think God would be morally justified to condemn a man to reincarnate as the beast, if this man raped and murdered a twelve year old girl?[/quote]

I did not answer because I do not know what the beast is.

I also do not believe in reincarnation.

If it is some type of balance of karma you are inferring then that man would need to be raped and killed and I cannot see a God playing such foolish balancing games.

Give a question closer to reality and I will respond in kind.

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DL

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:Thanks for showing your lack of moral sense.

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DL

Thanks for being such a dick when it comes to democracy.

As for the morality - blame god not me, I'm an atheist.

Yet you want me to blame God for your lack of morals.

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DL

Greatest I am wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Greatest I am wrote:Thanks for showing your lack of moral sense.

Regards
DL

Thanks for being such a dick when it comes to democracy.

As for the morality - blame god not me, I'm an atheist.

Yet you want me to blame God for your lack of morals.

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DL

You seem to be loosing the plot. Are you clinically insane? Have you stopped taking the pills?