Atheism: The Case against God

[attofishpi]

The only truth as to the questions and answers that you both pose, is the knowledge that neither of you can know, thus agnosticism is the only true resolve.

That is only half correct.
In a universe where God does exist, you would have to agree that a man can be made aware by God, of God's existence.

You and I have been down this road before, atto, so you know how I feel. If a creator is the creator of 'all,' loving it 'all,' then it would give them 'all' the same knowledge. Or do you have favorite children that you tell the truth to, while lying to the ones you hate? Such that the ones you hate, never have a chance? That's a pretty piss poor father, in my book, and would deserve no respect at all! Say determinism, please? As it surely exists, mankind sees to that. Slaves, anyone?

lol.

[SpheresOfBalance]

The only truth as to the questions and answers that you both pose, is the knowledge that neither of you can know, thus agnosticism is the only true resolve.

That is only half correct.
In a universe where God does exist, you would have to agree that a man can be made aware by God, of God's existence.

You and I have been down this road before, atto, so you know how I feel. If a creator is the creator of 'all,' loving it 'all,' then it would give them 'all' the same knowledge. Or do you have favorite children that you tell the truth to, while lying to the ones you hate? Such that the ones you hate, never have a chance? That's a pretty piss poor father, in my book, and would deserve no respect at all! Say determinism, please? As it surely exists, mankind sees to that. Slaves, anyone?

lol.

I'm sure that the laughter speaks of not understanding my point, he who finds the proof of god in signs as he looks for them, in other words, Mr. Atto! Anything add up to the existence of god lately? Do the math atto, do the math!

Look I'll defend your right to believe as you do, but you'll never necessarily sell me anything that you believe, that I see otherwise.

[attofishpi]

No i understand your point. Just laughing at the irony that you expect that if there is a God it should abide by your terms, possibly at least one of the reasons it will never make itself aware to you.

[SpheresOfBalance]

No i understand your point. Just laughing at the irony that you expect that if there is a God it should abide by your terms, possibly at least one of the reasons it will never make itself aware to you.

Your way of selling yourself the swampland, and I support you fully. But I'm a father, and the creator of everything would feel the same, yet more, I'm quite sure. I'm only a puny human, my love could never be stronger than the creators, yours?

Oh, and you do realize of course, that I could use your argument against your method of finding your god right? As if he would abide by your terms of finding proof of his existence, is just as much folly, or so you might say, if it wasn't pointed at you.

[attofishpi]

No i understand your point. Just laughing at the irony that you expect that if there is a God it should abide by your terms, possibly at least one of the reasons it will never make itself aware to you.

Your way of selling yourself the swampland, and I support you fully. But I'm a father, and the creator of everything would feel the same, yet more, I'm quite sure. I'm only a puny human, my love could never be stronger than the creators, yours?

Oh, and you do realize of course, that I could use your argument against your method of finding your god right? As if he would abide by your terms of finding proof of his existence, is just as much folly, or so you might say, if it wasn't pointed at you.

lol.

[SpheresOfBalance]

No i understand your point. Just laughing at the irony that you expect that if there is a God it should abide by your terms, possibly at least one of the reasons it will never make itself aware to you.

Your way of selling yourself the swampland, and I support you fully. But I'm a father, and the creator of everything would feel the same, yet more, I'm quite sure. I'm only a puny human, my love could never be stronger than the creators, yours?

Oh, and you do realize of course, that I could use your argument against your method of finding your god right? As if he would abide by your terms of finding proof of his existence, is just as much folly, or so you might say, if it wasn't pointed at you.

lol.

I agree that it's very funny indeed, that your argument against my argument, in fact undermines yours. You see Atto, the truth is that both you and I are humans and can only see a creator in our terms, that's all that's possible. To say that I see it's possibility in my terms, is the same as for you to say, that you see it in your terms, that's all the ability that either of us has. It's unimportant as to what those terms are, as it's not about our particular set of terms, it's about our position relative to the possibility of a creator. And we are equal considering those terms. Of course some shall say they're special, that theirs are superior, you won't find me being so bold as to actually 'believe' such a thing, even though I may insinuate as much in an argument.

[attofishpi]

lol.

I agree that it's very funny indeed, that your argument against my argument, in fact undermines yours. You see Atto, the truth is that both you and I are humans and can only see a creator in our terms, that's all that's possible. To say that I see it's possibility in my terms, is the same as for you to say, that you see it in your terms, that's all the ability that either of us has. It's unimportant as to what those terms are, as it's not about our particular set of terms, it's about our position relative to the possibility of a creator. And we are equal considering those terms. Of course some shall say they're special, that theirs are superior, you won't find me being so bold as to actually 'believe' such a thing, even though I may insinuate as much in an argument.

No. I had no terms in relation to God. However, i did find out 'its' terms.

[SpheresOfBalance]

lol.

I agree that it's very funny indeed, that your argument against my argument, in fact undermines yours. You see Atto, the truth is that both you and I are humans and can only see a creator in our terms, that's all that's possible. To say that I see it's possibility in my terms, is the same as for you to say, that you see it in your terms, that's all the ability that either of us has. It's unimportant as to what those terms are, as it's not about our particular set of terms, it's about our position relative to the possibility of a creator. And we are equal considering those terms. Of course some shall say they're special, that theirs are superior, you won't find me being so bold as to actually 'believe' such a thing, even though I may insinuate as much in an argument.

No. I had no terms in relation to God.
However, i did find out 'its' terms.

No, I did!
Now it's your turn!

[attofishpi]

No, I did!

No you did...? Did what?

Now it's your turn!

My turn for what?

You are a more ridiculous than last time i bothered with you.

[SpheresOfBalance]

No, I did!

No you did...? Did what?

Now it's your turn!

My turn for what?

You are a more ridiculous than last time i bothered with you.

That it's over your head is your problem, try asking your god.

And by the way, there's no need to bother.
Of course your bothering says it all!

[attofishpi]

That it's over your head is your problem, try asking your god.

And by the way, there's no need to bother.
Of course your bothering says it all!

Ooo..ok.

Let me attempt to communicate with the likes of you way up there above my head, apparently it takes winking smiley faces.

and of course not or because that would mean...um.. this? and a little

[SpheresOfBalance]

That it's over your head is your problem, try asking your god.

And by the way, there's no need to bother.
Of course your bothering says it all!

Ooo..ok.

Let me attempt to communicate with the likes of you way up there above my head, apparently it takes winking smiley faces.

and of course not or because that would mean...um.. this? and a little

You have to give a little in order to get atto.
But hold fast to your delusional god, that you find in the shadows of numbers and pictures, I'm sure they shall serve you well in the end???
A gambling man are you? Your want of a god so strong, you can see it where ever you look, your soul so needy, and you shall be saved, your fear speaketh!
Atto, you know I'll not budge on either the atheist or theist agenda, I'm agnostic, as in he who knows that no man currently can know which is in fact the case. Where knowing is proving beyond a shadow of doubt. It's all just a bunch of theories based upon ones fears, and I mean in both camps. You know that I'd like to believe that there is a creator, right? I just refuse to buy into peoples obvious BS.

[attofishpi]

So long as you keep "knowing" that one cannot know...you can rest assured by your own ineptitude.

[The Inglorious One]

Both your and his frameworks are biased such that your accurate judgment of the others is tainted. You both speak of things you cannot know, believing them because it serves your purpose. The only truth as to the questions and answers that you both pose, is the knowledge that neither of you can know, thus agnosticism is the only true resolve.

There is one thing with which Smith and I agree, and that has to do with agnostics.

[SpheresOfBalance]

So long as you keep "knowing" that one cannot know...you can rest assured by your own ineptitude.

As long as you believe that you can know, surely a schizophrenic you'll be considered! And rightfully so!

Prove beyond a shadow of doubt that your god exists. You can't!
Just like they can't prove that he/she/it doesn't.