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vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
You are obviously fully immersed in the bullshit industry, you have said so yourself, so you have a vested interest in it.
Your stridency on this point does you no credit. I am immersed in no industry apart from a very small niche consultancy which for the past ten years has been a one man band and I have no vested interests whatsoever. Furthermore I will not be spoken to in such an aggressive and insulting tone by you or anybody else.
An employer in a business has a range of responsibilities which he is both legally and morally obliged to honour. He is responsible to his clients and his employees as well as to the wider community and it is in the light of these responsibilities that he MUST ensure that he surrounds himself with the most suitable possible people he can in order to honour these responsibilities. In the common language this is called a "duty of care".
I don't give a f*** whether you agree with me or not but this has always been my approach to business ethics and I make no apology for it.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
You are obviously fully immersed in the bullshit industry, you have said so yourself, so you have a vested interest in it.
Your stridency on this point does you no credit. I am immersed in no industry apart from a very small niche consultancy which for the past ten years has been a one man band and I have no vested interests whatsoever. Furthermore I will not be spoken to in such an aggressive and insulting tone by you or anybody else.
An employer in a business has a range of responsibilities which he is both legally and morally obliged to honour. He is responsible to his clients and his employees as well as to the wider community and it is in the light of these responsibilities that he MUST ensure that he surrounds himself with the most suitable possible people he can in order to honour these responsibilities. In the common language this is called a "duty of care".
I don't give a f*** whether you agree with me or not but this has always been my approach to business ethics and I make no apology for it.
Come now, you are the one who said it about yourself. You said you take huge amounts of money to teach them nothing. I'm afraid it's the internet. You don't really have a lot of control over how others talk to you. You are being a lot more aggressive than I was. You don't exactly tip-toe through the tulips yourself for much of the time, which I don't have a problem with at all.
There have been several cases in RECENT times of frauds with impressive 'resumes' and interview technique landing jobs as psychiatrists and even as a surgeon FFS.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
There have been several cases in RECENT times of frauds with impressive resumes
and interview technique landing jobs as psychiatrists and even as a surgeon FFS
There was a case of a man who was employed as a forensic scientist for twenty years before he was caught
And there were potential miscarriages of justice as he provided reports that resulted in criminal convictions
There was zero excuse for his employers not having him checked out given the job which he was applying for
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
There have been several cases in RECENT times of frauds with impressive resumes
and interview technique landing jobs as psychiatrists and even as a surgeon FFS
There was a case of a man who was employed as a forensic scientist for twenty years before he was caught
And there were potential miscarriages of justice as he provided reports that resulted in criminal convictions
There was zero excuse for his employers not having him checked out given the job which he was applying for
Imagine having a heart operation performed on you by someone with no more qualification than 'good interview technique' and a fake CV.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote:
There have been several cases in RECENT times of frauds with impressive resumes
and interview technique landing jobs as psychiatrists and even as a surgeon FFS
There was a case of a man who was employed as a forensic scientist for twenty years before he was caught
And there were potential miscarriages of justice as he provided reports that resulted in criminal convictions
There was zero excuse for his employers not having him checked out given the job which he was applying for
Imagine having a heart operation performed on you by someone with no more qualification than good interview technique and a fake CV
You would think that the suitability of candidates for such positions would be thoroughly checked out to the highest possible standard
I blame the employer more then the employee in these situations since they have the final say in who they actually choose to take on
The forensic scientist if memory serves got a degree from the internet and so successfully managed to forge a career for two decades
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: You said you take huge amounts of money to teach them nothing.
That's not what I said. For a start there are no "huge" amounts of money because I'm effectively retired and there truly never was a lot of dough in this. We live simply and I work from home and truly we have little need for money beyond our basic needs. I have a few clients left from back in the day who I assist for old time's sake and my fees have not been adjusted upwards in the last eight years. However what I did say was that I charged people money to tell them shit they already know and this is so perfectly true that I never once failed to remind a client of this fact. My clients are small Mum and Dad businesses and what I sell them is formal, written and structured business plans which they can use as a template for their operations. Such plans are universally demanded by banks when people want to borrow money and not everybody has either the time or the expertise to compile such plans for themselves. I'm also something of a father confessor and a shoulder to cry on when things go pear-shaped for my clients, and I'm proud to call them my friends, so I particularly resent your implication that my relationship with these people is an exploitative one.
You may say whatever you like about any opinion whatsoever which I express in this forum and you can use whatever form of language you choose, because as you point out, if you dish it out you've gotta be willing to take it, and I am. However what you may not do is step beyond this boundary and question my personal integrity or else I'll come down on you like a ton of hot shit. I trust I've made my position plain and that we can now put this little fracas aside and move on.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: You said you take huge amounts of money to teach them nothing.
That's not what I said. For a start there are no "huge" amounts of money because I'm effectively retired and there truly never was a lot of dough in this. We live simply and I work from home and truly we have little need for money beyond our basic needs. I have a few clients left from back in the day who I assist for old time's sake and my fees have not been adjusted upwards in the last eight years. However what I did say was that I charged people money to tell them shit they already know and this is so perfectly true that I never once failed to remind a client of this fact. My clients are small Mum and Dad businesses and what I sell them is formal, written and structured business plans which they can use as a template for their operations. Such plans are universally demanded by banks when people want to borrow money and not everybody has either the time or the expertise to compile such plans for themselves. I'm also something of a father confessor and a shoulder to cry on when things go pear-shaped for my clients, and I'm proud to call them my friends, so I particularly resent your implication that my relationship with these people is an exploitative one.
You may say whatever you like about any opinion whatsoever which I express in this forum and you can use whatever form of language you choose, because as you point out, if you dish it out you've gotta be willing to take it, and I am. However what you may not do is step beyond this boundary and question my personal integrity or else I'll come down on you like a ton of hot shit. I trust I've made my position plain and that we can now put this little fracas aside and move on.
So you're just simply confirming what your clients already know.
vegetariantaxidermy wrote: You said you take huge amounts of money to teach them nothing.
That's not what I said. For a start there are no "huge" amounts of money because I'm effectively retired and there truly never was a lot of dough in this. We live simply and I work from home and truly we have little need for money beyond our basic needs. I have a few clients left from back in the day who I assist for old time's sake and my fees have not been adjusted upwards in the last eight years. However what I did say was that I charged people money to tell them shit they already know and this is so perfectly true that I never once failed to remind a client of this fact. My clients are small Mum and Dad businesses and what I sell them is formal, written and structured business plans which they can use as a template for their operations. Such plans are universally demanded by banks when people want to borrow money and not everybody has either the time or the expertise to compile such plans for themselves. I'm also something of a father confessor and a shoulder to cry on when things go pear-shaped for my clients, and I'm proud to call them my friends, so I particularly resent your implication that my relationship with these people is an exploitative one.
You may say whatever you like about any opinion whatsoever which I express in this forum and you can use whatever form of language you choose, because as you point out, if you dish it out you've gotta be willing to take it, and I am. However what you may not do is step beyond this boundary and question my personal integrity or else I'll come down on you like a ton of hot shit. I trust I've made my position plain and that we can now put this little fracas aside and move on.
Scary Actually you did say that you are paid an inordinate amount of money to tell clients what they already know. I suppose I could find it but it's not really worth the effort.
Philosophy Explorer wrote:
So you're just simply confirming what your clients already know.
Phil. The entire economy of the world would collapse if people stopped paying other people to do this things for them which they're perfectly capable of doing for themselves.
"My clients are small Mum and Dad businesses and what I sell them is formal, written and structured business plans which they can use as a template for their operations."
What makes this laughable is you're presumably dealing with people who normally run their businesses and make decisions. To turn to an outsider (even if they're familiar with you) sounds like they're using you to justify whatever it is they want to get accomplished.
In the US, we have the SBA (Small Business Administration) which essentially does the same thing you do, for free. Do you have a USP? (Unique Selling Proposition)
Philosophy Explorer wrote:What makes this laughable is you're presumably dealing with people who normally run their businesses and make decisions. To turn to an outsider (even if they're familiar with you) sounds like they're using you to justify whatever it is they want to get accomplished.
No. They use me because they're smart and simply like to dot all the "i"s and cross all the "t"s when it comes to regulatory, taxation, legal and financial questions. I don't make their decisions for them or tell them how to run their businesses but I simply give them my opinion on various issues if they ask for it. Nobody in the world does what I do for free, including in your country, so you're quite wrong there. It was by no means unusual for me to spend 40-50 hours on a new client back in the day when I had new clients and if you know anybody who provides professional services on a such a scale for free then steer clear of him because he's f****** mad. Certainly you shouldn't let him get near your business.
Philosophy Explorer wrote:What makes this laughable is you're presumably dealing with people who normally run their businesses and make decisions. To turn to an outsider (even if they're familiar with you) sounds like they're using you to justify whatever it is they want to get accomplished.
No. They use me because they're smart and simply like to dot all the "i"s and cross all the "t"s when it comes to regulatory, taxation, legal and financial questions. I don't make their decisions for them or tell them how to run their businesses but I simply give them my opinion on various issues if they ask for it. Nobody in the world does what I do for free, including in your country, so you're quite wrong there. It was by no means unusual for me to spend 40-50 hours on a new client back in the day when I had new clients and if you know anybody who provides professional services on a such a scale for free then steer clear of him because he's f****** mad. Certainly you shouldn't let him get near your business.
Obvious Leo wrote:Everything that I don't charge people for, including answering such a daft question.
Avoiding the question doesn't answer it. First you make it sound like people pay you for your bullshit. Now you make it sound that you're willing to give away a week's worth of service for free. Doesn't that sound like a natural question to ask? (if there are trade secrets involved, I'm not interested)
Phil. Could you read my posts a little more carefully please. I said that nobody in the whole world gives away 50 hours worth of professional services for free and neither do I. Nobody would expect anything like that and would probably be highly suspicious of such a service provider. Nowadays if a client rings me up for a yak on the phone for half an hour or so I usually don't bill them for it unless there's some follow-up paperwork or a report to write. Why is this of such interest to you?
Actually you did say that you are paid an inordinate amount of money to tell clients what they already know. I suppose I could find it but it's not really worth the effort.