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But so is yours so I'm not sure you are the right person to be trying to put him straight.Hobbes' Choice wrote:THis would mean that god is not the creator of the universe, but ONLY love. In which case your logic is meaningless
I think you might have a long road ahead.Jaded Sage wrote:My thing about books was about the form.
No, of course I don't accept his premise. I was just commenting on the form, which is what he asked for - why, I don't know.Hobbes' Choice wrote:It may well be a false substitution.Wyman wrote:If you're worried about the form of the argument, remember that identity is different from implication or equivalence. John said God is love, which I would take to mean that they are identical, not that they each imply the other. The proof in the case of identity would merely involve the rule of substitution, rather than Modus Ponens:
God = Love
Love exists.
God exists. (substitution)
You are also saying love is god? Is this reasonable? Ot does it have a slightly different meaning. If god wholly encapsulates love, then god is nothing more than love. It could well be that, even if god is love is true, love might also be something else.
Thus "Love exists, therefore god exists" is a false conclusion.
Dog is love. love exists, therefore dog exists is not necessarily true.
When you address someone with "you". It would be well to indicate who you are addressing.Jaded Sage wrote:I don't understand why this always happens. You accept that the Bible posits some thing called God, but you do not accept the definition it gives of God. I think you only reject it because then God would be an existent thing and you don't want that to be the case, and/or if you say don't accept that God is love because there is no evidence, you are in even bigger trouble.
In that case the "you" to whom you refer is a straw man and applies to no one.Jaded Sage wrote:Anyone and everyone to whom this applies, obviously. Why are half the posts on this website not even about philosophy?
Now THAT is a very intelligent, perceptive, apt post.Jaded Sage wrote:Anyone and everyone to whom this applies, obviously. Why are half the posts on this website not even about philosophy?
Anyone who has a firm belief in the existence of God is not employing philosophy.Jaded Sage wrote:Anyone and everyone to whom this applies, obviously. Why are half the posts on this website not even about philosophy?
Harbal wrote:Anyone who has a firm belief in the existence of God is not employing philosophy.Jaded Sage wrote:Anyone and everyone to whom this applies, obviously. Why are half the posts on this website not even about philosophy?
Then you are a fool. But I'd like to hear you make your case.Jaded Sage wrote:Harbal wrote:Anyone who has a firm belief in the existence of God is not employing philosophy.Jaded Sage wrote:Anyone and everyone to whom this applies, obviously. Why are half the posts on this website not even about philosophy?
I would argue that anyone without a firm practice of benevolence is not employing a love of wisdom.
Hobbes' Choice wrote: Then you are a fool. But I'd like to hear you make your case.
You complained about a lack of philosophy and I commented on it but rather than sticking to the point you just go of at a tangent about something else.Jaded Sage wrote:
I would argue that anyone without a firm practice of benevolence is not employing a love of wisdom.
Harbal wrote:You complained about a lack of philosophy and I commented on it but rather than sticking to the point you just go of at a tangent about something else.Jaded Sage wrote:
I would argue that anyone without a firm practice of benevolence is not employing a love of wisdom.
It is not possible to prove or disprove the existence of God. If you have an absolute belief in God's existence you have not aquired it through philosophy.Jaded Sage wrote:
The point being that no one can believe in God and be a philosopher at once?
It would be far less confusing if you could stick to calling God "God".Jaded Sage wrote:I just called God by it's other name: benevolence.