An end to AIDS is possible, but not without an end to HIV

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Dalek Prime wrote:Are you trying to say there's suffering in the world, Hobbes? Shocking! :shock:
No I never said that. My post has nothing to do with that.

As most life-affirming optimists as yourself tell me, the good in life outweighs the bad. So, there's no real issue here. I mean, what's a little suffering amongst friends?
Nope. I did not say that either. The comparison between suffering and "good" is a idiot's task. It would all depend on how you weight different considerations. If you call painful death "good" then generally good outweighs the bad.
Maybe you should take this problem to another thread where your Christian friends can laugh at you?
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Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:Are you trying to say there's suffering in the world, Hobbes? Shocking! :shock:
No I never said that. My post has nothing to do with that.
So, there's no suffering then? Good. AIDS is not a problem then, and we don't need a cure, or need to treat its symptoms. And big pharma is doing nothing inherently wrong.
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Dalek Prime wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:Are you trying to say there's suffering in the world, Hobbes? Shocking! :shock:
No I never said that. My post has nothing to do with that.
So, there's no suffering then?
Irrelevant.
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bobevenson wrote:Cuba isn't the world leader in HIV prevention.
WHO health statistics for Cuba
Rank of Countries
125th of 167 Countries
HIV/AIDS adult prevalence rate
Please cite.
The World Health Organization, you know, the organization that's part of the socialistic United Nations; do I have to take you by the hand?

P.S. For all of you idiots who disparage the United States, most of the winners of the Nobel Prize for medicine are Americans. Put that in your fucking pipe and smoke it!
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bobevenson wrote:Put that in your fucking pipe and smoke it!
The surgeon-general warns that following this advice may be hazardous to your health.
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Obvious Leo wrote:
bobevenson wrote:Put that in your fucking pipe and smoke it!
The surgeon-general warns that following this advice may be hazardous to your health.
That's another worthless job the AEP would abolish overnight!
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bobevenson wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
bobevenson wrote:Cuba isn't the world leader in HIV prevention.
WHO health statistics for Cuba
Rank of Countries
125th of 167 Countries
HIV/AIDS adult prevalence rate
Please cite.
The World Health Organization, you know, the organization that's part of the socialistic United Nations; do I have to take you by the hand?

P.S. For all of you idiots who disparage the United States, most of the winners of the Nobel Prize for medicine are Americans. Put that in your fucking pipe and smoke it!

I know all that twat.
"Cite" means cite.
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Hobbes' Choice wrote:I know all that twat. "Cite" means cite.
I'm not here to serve you information on a platter. Do your own work and prove me wrong!
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Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote: So, there's no suffering then?
Irrelevant.
So whats the point of an end to AIDS, if suffering is irrelevant? Why fight for a brighter future if it's irrelevant?
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Dalek Prime wrote:Why fight for a brighter future if it's irrelevant?
It's an irrelevant digression but this question rather reminds me of the climate change deniers argument. Why make the world a better place if we don't have to?
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Obvious Leo wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote:Why fight for a brighter future if it's irrelevant?
It's an irrelevant digression but this question rather reminds me of the climate change deniers argument. Why make the world a better place if we don't have to?
I'm playing devil's advocate here Leo. Most banal arguments against antinatalism stem from the denial or denigration of harms and suffering in life. So I'm doing the same here to make a point that, if it is true when natalists use it, it becomes fair game in other situations. And of course, it's not in either. And in explaining this to you, you've forced me to tip my hand, and reveal my intent. Very disappointing. No offense, but I wish, when I address someone, others wouldn't interfere with the discourse. It's all to common on this forum. And yes, I've done it myself, so I'm guilty too.

One other thing that troubles me that I take issue with. People partially quoting. The part you quoted is inferior to the first part. And when that happens, the message gets lost. And certain people do that often to change the argument to their favour eg. Hobbes and Arising.

Ah, forget it. This behaviour will just continue with them, and makes it not worthwhile staying on this forum. Too many consider philosophy to be a competition; he who shouts loudest, or obfuscates the best, wins. That's not for me.
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Dalek Prime wrote:
Hobbes' Choice wrote:
Dalek Prime wrote: So, there's no suffering then?
Irrelevant.
So whats the point of an end to AIDS, if suffering is irrelevant? Why fight for a brighter future if it's irrelevant?
Not relevant to the thread, because its not about ending AIDS. Its about why more resources are put into palliative care for AIDS RATHER than preventing HIV transmission, or finding a vaccine for HIV. But I doubt that you understand the distinction.
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