Do you think that torturing a baby is ever justified?

[Philosophy Explorer]

People who have their babies circumcised obviously think torturing babies is justified.

Just to let you know, it's not the circumcision that makes the baby cry, it's the alcohol (don't know which type).

PhilX

[Obvious Leo]

People who have their babies circumcised obviously think torturing babies is justified.

Just to let you know, it's not the circumcision that makes the baby cry, it's the alcohol (don't know which type).

PhilX

I'll be happy to provide complimentary alcohol in vast quantities to all patients who present for circumcision surgery at my chainsaw clinic. However all such applicants must provide proof of age because performing such procedures on children who are unable to give informed consent is unethical conduct in the world according to Dr Leo.

[Dubious]

Just to let you know, it's not the circumcision that makes the baby cry, it's the alcohol (don't know which type).

How do we know this? There's no point in asking the kid when he's already got a vocabulary.

[Philosophy Explorer]

Just to let you know, it's not the circumcision that makes the baby cry, it's the alcohol (don't know which type).

How do we know this? There's no point in asking the kid when he's already got a vocabulary.

You mean how does the person performing the circumcision know this since he's the one who made the statement? I'll do an internet search.

PhilX

[Philosophy Explorer]

The internet is no help. I can say the doctor who did the surgery said it was the alcohol that was applied (presumably to an open wound) during the surgery that brought on the pain.

PhilX

[Dubious]

The internet is no help. I can say the doctor who did the surgery said it was the alcohol that was applied (presumably to an open wound) during the surgery that brought on the pain.

PhilX

Cut off a chunk of skin and you're definitely going to feel it. Applying a disinfectant like alcohol and that's enough pain to make anyone of the "Expendables" scream. But why alcohol? Why not some antibiotic cream so the poor kid doesn't go completely out of his mind? For many, misery commences early in life.

[Philosophy Explorer]

The internet is no help. I can say the doctor who did the surgery said it was the alcohol that was applied (presumably to an open wound) during the surgery that brought on the pain.

PhilX

Cut off a chunk of skin and you're definitely going to feel it. Applying a disinfectant like alcohol and that's enough pain to make anyone of the "Expendables" scream. But why alcohol? Why not some antibiotic cream so the poor kid doesn't go completely out of his mind? For many, misery commences early in life.

Since it was the doctor who performed the operation, you'll have to ask him (keep in mind that this happened over 30 years ago so knowledge may have been different back then).

PhilX

[Dubious]

The internet is no help. I can say the doctor who did the surgery said it was the alcohol that was applied (presumably to an open wound) during the surgery that brought on the pain.

PhilX

Cut off a chunk of skin and you're definitely going to feel it. Applying a disinfectant like alcohol and that's enough pain to make anyone of the "Expendables" scream. But why alcohol? Why not some antibiotic cream so the poor kid doesn't go completely out of his mind? For many, misery commences early in life.

Since it was the doctor who performed the operation, you'll have to ask him (keep in mind that this happened over 30 years ago so knowledge may have been different back then).

PhilX

No doubt things were different back then! But I didn't know it referred to events 30 years ago. Back then they said and did a lot of things now no-longer acknowledged. But pain is pain regardless of when.

[Greatest I am]

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Please acknowledge the DIFFERENCE between 'justified' and "justifiable".
Any moron can justify any amount of evil; that does not make it justifiable.

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Of course the words have a difference. Congratulation. You know English and can read a dictionary.

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

Is torturing a baby ever justified? It must be since circumcision is done routinely.

Is intent a factor in describing torture?

Regards
DL

[Greatest I am]

People who have their babies circumcised obviously think torturing babies is justified.

Just to let you know, it's not the circumcision that makes the baby cry, it's the alcohol (don't know which type).

PhilX

I'll be happy to provide complimentary alcohol in vast quantities to all patients who present for circumcision surgery at my chainsaw clinic. However all such applicants must provide proof of age because performing such procedures on children who are unable to give informed consent is unethical conduct in the world according to Dr Leo.

For the procedure in question, I agree.

There could be some life saving procedures that are done without consent that produce even more pain but I doubt that you would think those immoral. Perhaps your brush was a bit wide this time my friend.

Regards
DL

[Hobbes' Choice]

Of course the words have a difference. Congratulation. You know English and can read a dictionary.

Regards
DL

I'll congratulate anyone who can figure out how to use those words.

[Hobbes' Choice]

People who have their babies circumcised obviously think torturing babies is justified.

Just to let you know, it's not the circumcision that makes the baby cry, it's the alcohol (don't know which type).

PhilX

In a traditional bris the baby only receives the mouth of the Rabbi in lieu of antiseptic.

[Hobbes' Choice]

Just to let you know, it's not the circumcision that makes the baby cry, it's the alcohol (don't know which type).

How do we know this? There's no point in asking the kid when he's already got a vocabulary.

When a person cannot speak, they cannot give informed consent.

[Hobbes' Choice]

The internet is no help. I can say the doctor who did the surgery said it was the alcohol that was applied (presumably to an open wound) during the surgery that brought on the pain.

PhilX

You are just wrong.

Cutting your cock with a sharp knife is painful. Alcohol has nothing to do with it.
Give it a try.