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Nah, you're just misusing the word. Harmed by dislocation. Not harmed by relocation. Only pained by relocation.alpha wrote:you might not be harming me, but i am being harmed by the pain (of both the dislocated shoulder, and its readjustment).Jaded Sage wrote:No it's not. If I reset a dislocated shoulder, I'm hurting you, but I'm healing you, not harming you.alpha wrote: pain is harm.
this is your philosophical position. mine is that all pain is harm, whether "beneficial" or not.Jaded Sage wrote:Nah, you're just misusing the word. Harmed by dislocation. Not harmed by relocation. Only pained by relocation.
first, 'you' are not the object of my statements.Jaded Sage wrote:I think all harm is pain, but not all pain is harm. Harm means to injure. I can't injure you by fixing your shoulder.
i didn't mean greater. that (>) was supposed to be an arrow.Jaded Sage wrote:Can you elaborate on the in short part. A you saying one is greater than the other?
well, no more harm than "living" does, that's for sure.Jaded Sage wrote:You made a good point about harm not necessarily being painful. But I still say death does no harm to the good man.
Henry, that is what you are confusing. I am not advocating for existing beings, amd not talking about them. You exist. I exist. Let's make the most of that. We have no choice but to do that, or be miserable. I am, however, advocating for not bringing further existence into being, as there is no necessity to exist for them. And had we not been brought into existence, that would not have been a bad thing, and neither of us would have been any the wiser for it.henry quirk wrote:Benatar may be right...doesn't change the fact that, for example, I'm 'here' and prefer 'here' to 'nowhere'. 'Here'' is preferable cuz I can exercise some control over 'here', can work to better a circumstance I find discomforting. I suppose if I were paralyzed from the neck down, I might have a different view on the matter, but, I'm not paralyzed or stupid (in a crippling way), so living is a good thing (miseries included).
Joy is temporary; so is misery, so why wallow constantly in the latter when the former is possible (at least once in a while)?
I've had major surgeries on legs and head, several years of painful recovery; the loss of friends dear to me; the slow erosions of privation; betrayals by family; the wholly natural reminders that I'm finite and will not 'be' forever, and on and on. I'm 53 and fully expect more miseries of all kinds in the future, and I still want to be 'here', still believe the exercise of myself, in service to myself and those I (imperfectly, grudgingly) love, is better than 'not here'.
I get that some find living impossible...I can only offer (useless) sympathy cuz I won't walk down their road...I simply can't.
What fucking planet do you live on, exactly?Jaded Sage wrote:Dalek Prime wrote:For every existent being who can dwell on it, until consciousness passes, then nothing.Jaded Sage wrote:Not for the good man, not for the good man.
Pain, not harm.
Fuck you. Let me dislocate your shoulder. No harm done.Jaded Sage wrote:I live on the planet where relocating a dislocated shouldered causes pain but not harm. It's not harm, because it is not an injury. It hurts and heals, but does not harm.