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Re: Nietzsche on Americans
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:17 am
by Dalek Prime
Leisure and idleness. There is something peculiar to the Indian blood, an Indian savageness, in Americans’ lust for gold. The breathless haste with which they work — the characteristic vice of the New World — has already begun to infect old Europe too, where we now see this mindless barbarity spreading.
Oh yeah. In all the history of the old world, you never saw the lust and greed for gold and resouces? It's the history of mankind. It's why they sought the new world.
Re: Nietzsche on Americans
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 2:24 am
by Dalek Prime
Wyman wrote:Melchior wrote:Wyman wrote:It was the end of the age of aristocracy and the leisure class. Work was beneath them. Must have been nice while it lasted.
Yep, but I don't see the Americans as the source of the infection. How about Great Britain?
Apparently, everyone hates Americans, even back then. Nietzsche also hated Great Britain, from what I've read, but I forget why.
Not the first to be greedy, the Americans, they nonetheless made a shining example of it, and changed the nature of the corporate entity to do just that, on a global scale. The modern corporation is the product of American export, and gained its protected status under the 14th constitutional amendment, from whence it was adopted by the rest of the world.
Re: Nietzsche on Americans
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 5:37 am
by Dubious
It's only in the opening sentence of this aphorism where Americans are mentioned. It seems the rest of this very insightful message got lost which, I repeat, since the obvious wasn't obvious, has nothing further to do with Americans.
Re: Nietzsche on Americans
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:36 pm
by Wyman
Dalek Prime wrote:Wyman wrote:Melchior wrote:
Yep, but I don't see the Americans as the source of the infection. How about Great Britain?
Apparently, everyone hates Americans, even back then. Nietzsche also hated Great Britain, from what I've read, but I forget why.
Not the first to be greedy, the Americans, they nonetheless made a shining example of it, and changed the nature of the corporate entity to do just that, on a global scale. The modern corporation is the product of American export, and gained its protected status under the 14th constitutional amendment, from whence it was adopted by the rest of the world.
Ever heard of the East India Company? Give me a break.
Re: Nietzsche on Americans
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:43 pm
by Dalek Prime
Try to stay in the present, Wyman. The modern corporation and an outdated mercantile monopoly are two completely different entities.
Re: Nietzsche on Americans
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 9:52 pm
by Wyman
Dalek Prime wrote:Try to stay in the present, Wyman. The modern corporation and an outdated mercantile monopoly are two completely different entities.
Yes, the old one had private armies and ruled subcontinents. The American corporations sell things.
Re: Nietzsche on Americans
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:01 pm
by Dalek Prime
Wyman wrote:Dalek Prime wrote:Try to stay in the present, Wyman. The modern corporation and an outdated mercantile monopoly are two completely different entities.
Yes, the old one had private armies and ruled subcontinents. The American corporations sell things.
Oh, is that all they do? Not wreck environmental havoc globally, and externalize losses? Okay then.
By the way, how is Blackwater doing?
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Private_military_company
Re: Nietzsche on Americans
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 10:19 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Dalek Prime wrote:
Apparently, everyone hates Americans, even back then. Nietzsche also hated Great Britain, from what I've read, but I forget why.
Not the first to be greedy, the Americans, they nonetheless made a shining example of it, and changed the nature of the corporate entity to do just that, on a global scale. The modern corporation is the product of American export, and gained its protected status under the 14th constitutional amendment, from whence it was adopted by the rest of the world.
How idiotic is this.
If there is one thing that is hateful about Americans is the idiotic belief that the world owes them everything; that they generated every idea on earth; and that the world would come crashing down if they did not exist.
In fact the USA is a great borrower.
Re: Nietzsche on Americans
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:19 pm
by Dalek Prime
You've attributed a quote to me that is not mine, Hobbes.
Who's posting for you today? You're kid? Or have I just not noticed you are always this useless?
Re: Nietzsche on Americans
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:43 pm
by Hobbes' Choice
Dalek Prime wrote:You've attributed a quote to me that is not mine, Hobbes.
Who's posting for you today? You're kid? Or have I just not noticed you are always this useless?
Nope, You are the idiot that said this.
Re: Nietzsche on Americans
Posted: Sat Jun 06, 2015 11:48 pm
by Dalek Prime
Wyman wrote:Melchior wrote:Wyman wrote:It was the end of the age of aristocracy and the leisure class. Work was beneath them. Must have been nice while it lasted.
Yep, but I don't see the Americans as the source of the infection. How about Great Britain?
Apparently, everyone hates Americans, even back then. Nietzsche also hated Great Britain, from what I've read, but I forget why.
Wyman did, you lying troll. Now piss off.
Re: Nietzsche on Americans
Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:32 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Dalek Prime wrote:
Apparently, everyone hates Americans, even back then. Nietzsche also hated Great Britain, from what I've read, but I forget why.
Not the first to be greedy, the Americans, they nonetheless made a shining example of it, and changed the nature of the corporate entity to do just that, on a global scale. The modern corporation is the product of American export, and gained its protected status under the 14th constitutional amendment, from whence it was adopted by the rest of the world.
How idiotic is this.
If there is one thing that is hateful about Americans is the idiotic belief that the world owes them everything; that they generated every idea on earth; and that the world would come crashing down if they did not exist.
In fact the USA is a great borrower.
Re: Nietzsche on Americans
Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 12:33 am
by Hobbes' Choice
Dalek Prime wrote:
Wyman did, you lying troll. Now piss off.
Tut, tut. Looks like the Dalek is going all Davros on your arse.
Re: Nietzsche on Americans
Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:25 am
by Melchior
So, I guess the Spaniards' quest for gold (to name just one European power) and their ruthless treatment of the American natives in their quest for gold was not quite 'savage'? Give me a break, Mr Nietzsche. The 'savagery' was all in Europe first!
Re: Nietzsche on Americans
Posted: Sun Jun 07, 2015 4:36 am
by Melchior