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spike wrote:The fall of the Roman Empire is no more a myth than the fall of communism is.

Both empires did leave legacies and remnants that are still with us. But their governing systems did collapse. They collapsed because they couldn't adjust to the changing world. They were both obstacles to modernity. They had to get out of the way so that humanity could develop and progress.

Similarly, the Ottoman Empire collapsed because it grew stale and thus became a hinderance to the continuance of Civilization.

Nope.

Melchior wrote: All I'm saying is that we owe more to Rome, and are more like the Romans, than the rest of the world, which for the most part isn't even civilized. Large parts of the world are poor and miserable precisely because they were never Romanized. Look at Germany today, for instance, versus Iraq.

Things are a lot more complicated than that.

Ireland, Iceland, Scotland, all of Scandinavia to name a few countries were never Romanised.

And yet..
Syria, Tunisia, Palestine, Judea, Egypt, - all were Romanised.

So your thesis falls with several examples.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Melchior wrote: All I'm saying is that we owe more to Rome, and are more like the Romans, than the rest of the world, which for the most part isn't even civilized. Large parts of the world are poor and miserable precisely because they were never Romanized. Look at Germany today, for instance, versus Iraq.

Things are a lot more complicated than that.

Ireland, Iceland, Scotland, all of Scandinavia to name a few countries were never Romanised.

And yet..
Syria, Tunisia, Palestine, Judea, Egypt, - all were Romanised.

So your thesis falls with several examples.

But they were later Arabized, dumbass....

https://youtu.be/ExWfh6sGyso

Melchior wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Melchior wrote: All I'm saying is that we owe more to Rome, and are more like the Romans, than the rest of the world, which for the most part isn't even civilized. Large parts of the world are poor and miserable precisely because they were never Romanized. Look at Germany today, for instance, versus Iraq.

Things are a lot more complicated than that.

Ireland, Iceland, Scotland, all of Scandinavia to name a few countries were never Romanised.

And yet..
Syria, Tunisia, Palestine, Judea, Egypt, - all were Romanised.

So your thesis falls with several examples.

But they were later Arabized, dumbass....

https://youtu.be/ExWfh6sGyso

DUh! Yeah like I said its a little more complicated than your shit for brains thinking is capable of.
Ireland, Iceland, Scotland, all of Scandinavia are amongst the most civilised countries on earth, never touched by Rome.
And fuck-wit, "look at Germany", the greatest part Germania LIbera was never touched by Rome either.
Then there is China, whose civilisation extended before and after Rome, not to mention a lot of other places that your pathetic little child-brain thesis does not touch.

You are a man of little learning and less intelligence, moron.

Melchior wrote: Shove it up your ass with a red-hot poker.

England was never Romanised either. It was formed from the un-Romanised tribes from Northern Germany and Denmark known as the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, of whom those and others had destroyed the Western Roman empire.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

You are a man of little learning and less intelligence, moron.

Melchior wrote: Shove it up your ass with a red-hot poker.

England was never Romanised either. It was formed from the un-Romanised tribes from Northern Germany and Denmark known as the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, of whom those and others had destroyed the Western Roman empire.

Yes, it was. Remember Hadrian?

Melchior wrote:

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

You are a man of little learning and less intelligence, moron.

Melchior wrote: Shove it up your ass with a red-hot poker.

England was never Romanised either. It was formed from the un-Romanised tribes from Northern Germany and Denmark known as the Angles, Saxons and Jutes, of whom those and others had destroyed the Western Roman empire.

Yes, it was. Remember Hadrian?

I said "ENGLAND" you fucking moron.

Hobbes' Choice wrote:

Yes, it was. Remember Hadrian?

I said "ENGLAND" you fucking moron.[/quote]

Britain isn't good enough for you?

Gentlemen!

Please discuss in a civilised manner.

Use your intelligence.

Brit Dems wrote:Gentlemen!

Please discuss in a civilised manner.

Use your intelligence.

Tell the ignorant to shut their traps.

Brit Dems wrote: ↑Fri May 29, 2015 6:44 pm Gentlemen!

Please discuss in a civilised manner.

Use your intelligence.

I second that, and I know of the lamentable misthinking people are vulnerable to - me, Ima victim too, but that's 20% of me - that philosophers are, truth be told, cuckoo. I've seen some pretty ugly debates between smartly dressed men ... and women. Made me laugh, shouldn't have but ... made me! Shouldn't have ... but made me!

I like where you're going with this Caesar lives idea, but do recall a safari you went on ... do you recall stopping by woods on a snowy evening? Promises ta keep, miles ta go before I sleep, the woods are lovely, dark 'n' deep?