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Listen pal, I'm talking about major news organizations like the New York Times or the Associated Press. I guess they missed this story, huh?raw_thought wrote:It applies to American citizens.
Check any source.
raw_thought wrote:I said ANY source!!!! That includes the NYTs.
You really dont read much, do you.
Don't worry, pal, you're not wrong, but it should also apply to anybody anywhere, including Guantanamo.Wyman wrote:Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the civil war. At one point I believe he had several of the leading politicians of Maryland jailed to prevent the state from seceding. Bush justified sending 'enemy combatants' to Guanamo on grounds similar to Lincoln's. I don't think any American citizens were actually held, although the order is broad enough. I would think SCOTUS would rule such actions unconstitutional as applied to U.S. citizens. But I could be wrong.
You want to extend Constitutional rights to non-citizens? Why not give them subsidized housing - of the non-jail type- as well?bobevenson wrote:Don't worry, pal, you're not wrong, but it should also apply to anybody anywhere, including Guantanamo.Wyman wrote:Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the civil war. At one point I believe he had several of the leading politicians of Maryland jailed to prevent the state from seceding. Bush justified sending 'enemy combatants' to Guanamo on grounds similar to Lincoln's. I don't think any American citizens were actually held, although the order is broad enough. I would think SCOTUS would rule such actions unconstitutional as applied to U.S. citizens. But I could be wrong.
Being detained forever without being charged with an offense is a crime against humanity, and the U.S. government should be condemned to eternal Hell for practicing it anywhere in the world.Wyman wrote:You want to extend Constitutional rights to non-citizens? Why not give them subsidized housing - of the non-jail type- as well?bobevenson wrote:Don't worry, pal, you're not wrong, but it should also apply to anybody anywhere, including Guantanamo.Wyman wrote:Lincoln suspended habeas corpus during the civil war. At one point I believe he had several of the leading politicians of Maryland jailed to prevent the state from seceding. Bush justified sending 'enemy combatants' to Guanamo on grounds similar to Lincoln's. I don't think any American citizens were actually held, although the order is broad enough. I would think SCOTUS would rule such actions unconstitutional as applied to U.S. citizens. But I could be wrong.
I'm fine if 'the U.S. government' is condemned to eternal hell; right alongside of Elvis and Hitler and Jim Morrison in make-believe conspiracy theory/nutjob land.bobevenson wrote:Being detained forever without being charged with an offense is a crime against humanity, and the U.S. government should be condemned to eternal Hell for practicing it anywhere in the world.Wyman wrote:You want to extend Constitutional rights to non-citizens? Why not give them subsidized housing - of the non-jail type- as well?bobevenson wrote:
Don't worry, pal, you're not wrong, but it should also apply to anybody anywhere, including Guantanamo.
bobevenson wrote:What do you mean by "conspiracy theory," douche bag? Not only has the U.S. denied foreign prisoners their right to be charged with a crime and receive a fair trial, it runs CIA black sites where prisoners can be tortured. No, you're not just a douche bag, you're a double-douche bag!
Please stop taking everything literally, although on second thought, in this instance, it might not be such a bad idea!Wyman wrote:bobevenson wrote:What do you mean by "conspiracy theory," douche bag? Not only has the U.S. denied foreign prisoners their right to be charged with a crime and receive a fair trial, it runs CIA black sites where prisoners can be tortured. No, you're not just a douche bag, you're a double-douche bag!
I was referring to eternal damnation and the notion that a whole government could be damned to hell - an imaginary place. It is ridiculous enough to believe people go there - it is doubly ridiculous to believe that governments go there as well. I know that you were being half-figurative, but it's still half. Since you were only being half way doubly ridiculous I guess that just makes you ridiculous.
I took it half-literally (that's the opposite of 'half-figurative;' or are they exactly the same?) because I know you believe in things like hell and religious prophecies.bobevenson wrote:Please stop taking everything literally, although on second thought, in this instance, it might not be such a bad idea!Wyman wrote:bobevenson wrote:What do you mean by "conspiracy theory," douche bag? Not only has the U.S. denied foreign prisoners their right to be charged with a crime and receive a fair trial, it runs CIA black sites where prisoners can be tortured. No, you're not just a douche bag, you're a double-douche bag!
I was referring to eternal damnation and the notion that a whole government could be damned to hell - an imaginary place. It is ridiculous enough to believe people go there - it is doubly ridiculous to believe that governments go there as well. I know that you were being half-figurative, but it's still half. Since you were only being half way doubly ridiculous I guess that just makes you ridiculous.
raw_thought wrote:They do not have a right to a trial, period. And neither do we!