Do we lose our identity when we die?

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

Energy can be converted into mass and vice-versa (it's really the law of conservation of energy and mass).

PhilX

Okay, how can light be created or destroyed? How can the sum of energy-mass be created or destroyed?

[Philosophy Explorer]

Energy can be converted into mass and vice-versa (it's really the law of conservation of energy and mass).

PhilX

Okay, how can light be created or destroyed? How can the sum of energy-mass be created or destroyed?

Light can be converted into other forms of energy, and vice-versa. The law of conservation of mass and energy answers your second question, the sum of mass and energy can't be created nor destroyed.

PhilX

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

Light can be converted into other forms of energy, and vice-versa. The law of conservation of mass and energy answers your second question, the sum of mass and energy can't be created nor destroyed.

PhilX

So, I posit the question to arising. How can a one-way entropic universe exist?

[Arising_uk]

How is energy created or destroyed?

You're not Q. You're a bag of chemicals and they run down, once they do you no longer exist.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

How is energy created or destroyed?

You're not Q. You're a bag of chemicals and they run down, once they do you no longer exist.

We are not our body. Also a cop out explanation.

I thought you were going to tell me about an expanding universe, how galaxies are drifting apart, and how the weak nuclear tides that hold stuff together is slowly losing energy.

Then I would say, perhaps the galaxies are drifting apart. But are the galaxies themselves drifting apart? Are solar systems drifting apart?

Then I would say, the molecules might drift apart but the space between molecules would only approach infinite. It would never reach infinity. And the molecules would still exist, the universe would take on a grander scale and grander form, but still exist.

Then I would say, you better hope that the nuclear forces are slowly dissappearing, because that's the only way for true one way entropy. Still don't know how the totality of all that is would dissappear, according to the laws of physics and thermodynamics.

[Arising_uk]

We are not our body. Also a cop out explanation.

We are our body, anything else is for the religious. Unless of course you can show me a disembodied consciousness?

I thought you were going to tell me about an expanding universe, how galaxies are drifting apart, and how the weak nuclear tides that hold stuff together is slowly losing energy.

Then I would say, perhaps the galaxies are drifting apart. But are the galaxies themselves drifting apart? Are solar systems drifting apart?

Then I would say, the molecules might drift apart but the space between molecules would only approach infinite. It would never reach infinity. And the molecules would still exist, the universe would take on a grander scale and grander form, but still exist.

Then I would say, you better hope that the nuclear forces are slowly dissappearing, because that's the only way for true one way entropy. Still don't know how the totality of all that is would dissappear, according to the laws of physics and thermodynamics.

Nothing will disappear other than to be reduced to its components and be evenly spread across the universe for what appears to be infinity. Heat death appears to be our fate with no return.

I guess there is a slim chance that in the future ancestor sims may be run but if so I'd say the probability is that we're already in one then so maybe what you say is true and you will be living in Nietzsche's world but I seriously doubt it as I've seen dead bodies and seen no sign of returned ones, nor 'Gods' nor 'fast folk' and in the long-run all will settle, ironically, to a steady state.

All this matters little to such as you and I as when the body dies you will cease to exist so your fondest wish will come true. If not there is an easy test for your belief, kill yourself now, as it'll make little difference to you as you say you will return and who knows, like your deja vu, it may turn out different the next time.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

We are not our body. Also a cop out explanation.

We are our body, anything else is for the religious. Unless of course you can show me a disembodied consciousness?

I thought you were going to tell me about an expanding universe, how galaxies are drifting apart, and how the weak nuclear tides that hold stuff together is slowly losing energy.

Then I would say, perhaps the galaxies are drifting apart. But are the galaxies themselves drifting apart? Are solar systems drifting apart?

Then I would say, the molecules might drift apart but the space between molecules would only approach infinite. It would never reach infinity. And the molecules would still exist, the universe would take on a grander scale and grander form, but still exist.

Then I would say, you better hope that the nuclear forces are slowly dissappearing, because that's the only way for true one way entropy. Still don't know how the totality of all that is would dissappear, according to the laws of physics and thermodynamics.

Nothing will disappear other than to be reduced to its components and be evenly spread across the universe for what appears to be infinity. Heat death appears to be our fate with no return.

I guess there is a slim chance that in the future ancestor sims may be run but if so I'd say the probability is that we're already in one then so maybe what you say is true and you will be living in Nietzsche's world but I seriously doubt it as I've seen dead bodies and seen no sign of returned ones, nor 'Gods' nor 'fast folk' and in the long-run all will settle, ironically, to a steady state.

All this matters little to such as you and I as when the body dies you will cease to exist so your fondest wish will come true. If not there is an easy test for your belief, kill yourself now, as it'll make little difference to you as you say you will return and who knows, like your deja vu, it may turn out different the next time.

We are nothing. Our bodies are toy-things. An ego may die but you'll just be someone else. Dunno what heat death is sounds depressing.

[Arising_uk]

We are nothing. Our bodies are toy-things. An ego may die but you'll just be someone else. Dunno what heat death is sounds depressing.

I suppose so but its so far in the future I don't let it bother me as I won't be around to worry about it.

Ego's only die when the body dies and you are something, a body with senses in an external world, so not nothing but a something.

Seriously, there's a simple experiment, you kill yourself and come back and tell me about it and I'll believe you. After all, you have nothing to worry about if what you believe is true and if it is true then your belief should allow you to proceed with the experiment.

[GreatandWiseTrixie]

We are nothing. Our bodies are toy-things. An ego may die but you'll just be someone else. Dunno what heat death is sounds depressing.

I suppose so but its so far in the future I don't let it bother me as I won't be around to worry about it.

Ego's only die when the body dies and you are something, a body with senses in an external world, so not nothing but a something.

Seriously, there's a simple experiment, you kill yourself and come back and tell me about it and I'll believe you. After all, you have nothing to worry about if what you believe is true and if it is true then your belief should allow you to proceed with the experiment.

No thanks. Like I said our egos are transient. If I'm lucky I'll remember my past life but forgetting a past life proves nothing, most reincarnated people don't and just because you don't remember something doesn't mean it never happened.

As far as your one-way entropy and heat thing I'm not seeing it. The distance between galaxies may be expanding but galaxies are remaining uniform.

[Arising_uk]

No thanks. Like I said our egos are transient. If I'm lucky I'll remember my past life but forgetting a past life proves nothing, most reincarnated people don't and just because you don't remember something doesn't mean it never happened.

But when the bulk don't it tends towards it not being a thing. I'm confused, if you cannot remember then how do you know that you are who you were? Since you don't then what is your worry about being re-incarnated as you won't remember you were you? As such I'm puzzled why you won't take the experiment as if you believe what you say then it should be a mere bagatelle for you to die, as you'll be back.

As far as your one-way entropy and heat thing I'm not seeing it. The distance between galaxies may be expanding but galaxies are remaining uniform.

For sure galaxies can hold themselves together against the expansion force but far in the future this'll be the only stars that we can see and they will run out in the long-run, as will all the others, and in the end all the energy will be evenly spread across an infinite expanding space-time, so long and cold forever, or that's what the physics appears to point to but like I say, such things bother me not at all as I won't be around in the next thirty years so a few billion is of no concern to me.

[Dalek Prime]

Ever been unconscious? I have. And i lost my identity then. I gained it back, sure, but when I go next, I expect the same nothingness... A forever fugue state.

On a lighter note, have you ever seen a dead man in need of an identification card? Well, there you go, then.