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Blaggard wrote:And incidentally if I might say the political implication has been underplayed, most wars are about the self interest of a country and always have been. There are no good wars in any religion, except those against evil, a lot of religions from Buddhism to Druidism to Christianity et al including Shaminism et al: ascribe to the good life, but aside from Buddhism they are not hypocritical enough to expect anyone to live it by going to church...

The biggest killer in Europe for example was politics not religion, that's just the icing on a dumb cake of self involvement and nationalist pride. Think on, religion gets blamed for anything, but even Islam is really about land acquisition both in advance and retreat.

"God on our side"

on every good soldiers belt, even in Germany, and that megalomaniac wanted it scraped after world supremacy, and he was a "Catholic", we all know how useful icing is, even if it is cosmetic.

Lev Muishkin wrote:Show me the 'critical analysis of the potential existence of God"!

Lev Muishkin wrote:I've not seen much here, but you do not have any reason to assert I am going to ignore what is not even present.

Lev Muishkin wrote:So no analysis, no evidence, no warrant to say "It exists".
What is "it" anyway?

attofishpi wrote:

Lev Muishkin wrote:Show me the 'critical analysis of the potential existence of God"!

You could start by asking yourself the question if a God exists, what would be the essence of its existence..?
What do you mean "god"?

Lev Muishkin wrote:I've not seen much here, but you do not have any reason to assert I am going to ignore what is not even present.

So as long as this entity conceals its presence from you, you think it reasonable not to investigate how such an entity may plausibly exist?
What entity?

Lev Muishkin wrote:So no analysis, no evidence, no warrant to say "It exists".
What is "it" anyway?

What is it?
That's what i've been trying to figure out since God\'God' made its presence known to me many years ago...what is its true nature of existence?
...and essentially, is there a reason that IT exists..

Lev Muishkin wrote:

attofishpi wrote:

Lev Muishkin wrote:Show me the 'critical analysis of the potential existence of God"!

You could start by asking yourself the question if a God exists, what would be the essence of its existence..?
What do you mean "god"?

Lev Muishkin wrote:I've not seen much here, but you do not have any reason to assert I am going to ignore what is not even present.

So as long as this entity conceals its presence from you, you think it reasonable not to investigate how such an entity may plausibly exist?
What entity?

Lev Muishkin wrote:So no analysis, no evidence, no warrant to say "It exists".
What is "it" anyway?

What is it?
That's what i've been trying to figure out since God\'God' made its presence known to me many years ago...what is its true nature of existence?
...and essentially, is there a reason that IT exists..

You don't even know what you are looking for. Your problem is that you are in a dark room, and you have assumed that there is something in the room with you. You don't know what is it. You don't actually know it it is anything, or that it even exists. And so you don't know how to look, or if looking is meaningful
I don't think that gives you the right to get arsey to other people, as if they are the stupid ones.

attofishpi wrote:

Lev Muishkin wrote: You don't even know what you are looking for. Your problem is that you are in a dark room, and you have assumed that there is something in the room with you. You don't know what is it. You don't actually know it it is anything, or that it even exists. And so you don't know how to look, or if looking is meaningful
I don't think that gives you the right to get arsey to other people, as if they are the stupid ones.
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What a load of bollocks. And where am i being "arsey" to other people?

Lev Muishkin wrote:

Melchior wrote:

Blaggard wrote:I know that sounds flippant, and possibly to some like a troll, but I have been a religious person and lost faith so implore you to ask an atheist what he knows. I am well versed in Christian practices and a few other religions too, so, feel free to discuss the ins and outs of religion. I feel by the nature of my post though I must defend atheism, so have at me.

I promise to keep it polite and to respect all religions regardless of how unsubstantial they are.

I am an atheist now; I was raised as a Roman Catholic. It's not sad. It's not like having a love affair end or anything like that. You just realize the whole religion thing is stupid beyond belief, and you find other things to do with your time. I don't have much interest in talking to other atheists because they are atheists. I do avoid strongly religious persons if I can, because they are so impenetrably stupid I can't deal with it.

I know exactly where you are coming from.

It's more like finding the way out of a small room. Some people are scared to open that door, fearing there is no Jesus behind it, just the wide open spaces of possibility, leaving behind a lot of rules. The religious are cognitively agoraphobic in this sense, and cling to the same worn out phrases and dogma the has sustained them and their co-followers for millennia. They find the rules and restrictions comforting, like a baby in swaddling cloth mimicking the womb.

Melchior wrote:Atheists who proclaim their atheism are just as annoying as religious people who talk about their religious beliefs or church stuff all the time.

Melchior wrote:I am an atheist now...

Melchior wrote:Atheists who proclaim their atheism are just as annoying as religious people who talk about their religious beliefs or church stuff all the time. I find all of this profoundly annoying. Same with politics. Just shut the hell up!

thedoc wrote:

attofishpi wrote:

Lev Muishkin wrote: You don't even know what you are looking for. Your problem is that you are in a dark room, and you have assumed that there is something in the room with you. You don't know what is it. You don't actually know it it is anything, or that it even exists. And so you don't know how to look, or if looking is meaningful
I don't think that gives you the right to get arsey to other people, as if they are the stupid ones.
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What a load of bollocks. And where am i being "arsey" to other people?

I'm glad you figured that out, remember some trolls just come onto a forum juct to pick a fight, and they don't care what they fight about or with who. It usually develops from accusing the other person of something they haven't posted and then being rude and abusive about it. I've seen more of this "false Extrapolation" than honest reading on most forums, and that is different than honestly asking a question for clarification. When you find someone trolling to pick a fight, the ignore function is usually the best course of action.

surreptitious57 wrote: I do find it rather strange
that for a being believed to exist by over four billion people that there is nothing at all to suggest this beyond their own conviction

Lev Muishkin wrote: When in doubt humans tend to choose unfalsifiable assumptions and take them as truth; astrology, homeopathy, god, gods, spirit, deity, the list is too long to enumerate.
it ain't no thing.

Lev Muishkin wrote:

surreptitious57 wrote: I do find it rather strange
that for a being believed to exist by over four billion people that there is nothing at all to suggest this beyond their own conviction

This might be interesting if they believed the same thing. They do not.
I understand that billions are "Lovn'It' when it comes to MacDonald's too. In that case they are actually talking about the same thing, but I'd not take it as a recommendation.

When in doubt humans tend to choose unfalsifiable assumptions and take them as truth; astrology, homeopathy, god, gods, spirit, deity, the list is too long to enumerate.
it ain't no thing.