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GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:Well MozartLink, read through that bit of text you provided.

Your "proof" has a fundamental flaw...you never defined what suffering really is. What is pleasure? Well most people would say pleasure is mindlessness. Drugs, sex, videogames, action. Mindlessness. Emotionally centered.
Well, some would say there is another type of pleasure. Flow. Creating art, philosophy, working, provided a kind of mindlessness called flow, although many types of this mindlessness consists of actual thought. Thought centered.
Well, how can this be? If there is thought and feeling, how is it true mindlessness? Well, its a bit like a dream, it's the absence of your ego, that makes you feel so good.

Well, the thing of the matter is, you develop a resistance to the drug, to the art, to the work. It no longer gives you the mindlessness you crave. You avoid suffering, but why? Because pain is pleasure, and pleasure is pain, pain it gives you the mindlessness you crave. But if you have no pain or pleasure, anedonia...Isn't that boredom? Isn't that flat? And isn't that suffering too? So you naturally find pleasure in other ways, pleasure in anger, pleasure in making long philosophy rants, pleasure in wanting to be an anime god. It gives you the flow you crave.

Life is suffering, good music is suffering, pain is suffering, having a life with no pain is boring, and suffering. We seek distractions to avoid living, because existence itself is suffering. Telling everyone to kill themselves isn't going to do anything. You'll just be reborn on some other planet or in another life. All suffering, rich, poor, anehedonics, hedonists.

Please read this page I think it will help. viewtopic.php?f=11&t=14718

And btw, thought is not the mind's primary function, it is a sub-function. Survival instinct is the primary function. This is supported with fact. Cleary, the modern world runs without thought as it's primary function.

Systematic wrote:

GreatandWiseTrixie wrote:Well MozartLink, read through that bit of text you provided.

Your "proof" has a fundamental flaw...you never defined what suffering really is. What is pleasure? Well most people would say pleasure is mindlessness. Drugs, sex, videogames, action. Mindlessness. Emotionally centered.
Well, some would say there is another type of pleasure. Flow. Creating art, philosophy, working, provided a kind of mindlessness called flow, although many types of this mindlessness consists of actual thought. Thought centered.
Well, how can this be? If there is thought and feeling, how is it true mindlessness? Well, its a bit like a dream, it's the absence of your ego, that makes you feel so good.

Well, the thing of the matter is, you develop a resistance to the drug, to the art, to the work. It no longer gives you the mindlessness you crave. You avoid suffering, but why? Because pain is pleasure, and pleasure is pain, pain it gives you the mindlessness you crave. But if you have no pain or pleasure, anedonia...Isn't that boredom? Isn't that flat? And isn't that suffering too? So you naturally find pleasure in other ways, pleasure in anger, pleasure in making long philosophy rants, pleasure in wanting to be an anime god. It gives you the flow you crave.

Life is suffering, good music is suffering, pain is suffering, having a life with no pain is boring, and suffering. We seek distractions to avoid living, because existence itself is suffering. Telling everyone to kill themselves isn't going to do anything. You'll just be reborn on some other planet or in another life. All suffering, rich, poor, anehedonics, hedonists.

Please read this page I think it will help. viewtopic.php?f=11&t=14718

And btw, thought is not the mind's primary function, it is a sub-function. Survival instinct is the primary function. This is supported with fact. Cleary, the modern world runs without thought as it's primary function.

Maybe suffering is just the absence of having what you want most.