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Time dosnt age . consciousness dosnt age
Time dilates . consciousness dilates.

HexHammer wrote:

rajium wrote:Hexhammer. You are saying time has no effect on consciousness?

Can give some reason why you say this? Seems contrary to all physical law.

Based on any scientific writing, they never mention time as a factor to consciousness, only in philosophy very weird people will get that farfetched idea.

Not correct Hex. Integration of experience over time is a legitimate area when it comes to the science of consciousness.

Ginkgo wrote:Not correct Hex. Integration of experience over time is a legitimate area when it comes to the science of consciousness.

Could you plz provide link to that science article, or is it something you grab out of thin air from fairytale land?

So if memory is conciousness, then any computer is concious? .........not?

rajium wrote:
epiphenomonalism requies duelism unless we allow the 'epiphenomon' to affect its environment. Even smoke affects fire. Too much smoke in a small room will smother the flames.

Yes, epiphenomenalism is a dualistic theory. I think I made mention of that. The smoke and fire example was only an analogy. The science of consciousness isn't interested in dualistic theories. I think i might of mentioned that as well.

rajium wrote: The key here is the small room, yes. But that's exactly why consciousness is useful. Lets say there is a shoking event, a loud buzz. Your conscious self may be attending to something else.

Yes, even in a small room most of what we experience goes unattended. Attention is a key component of consciousness theory.

rajium wrote: When the loud noise occurs your brain creates a conscious awareness of the event. This infact catalyzes the action of covering ears. This action may be performed without conscious awareness but I believe studies have shown that being conscious of the event creates a more robust and quicker more accurate response. So being conscious changes the brain's response.

Yes, it is possible that the attentional theory of consciousness can address this particular aspect.

HexHammer wrote:Could you plz provide link to that science article, or is it something you grab out of thin air from fairytale land?

http://link.springer.com/article/10.100 ... 722#page-2

Hex there are numerous scientific articles on temporal unity and consciousness. The above is just one of many.

Hexhammer wrote:
So if memory is consciousness, then any computer is conscious...not?

No one is saying consciousness is memory.

Ginkgo

I think you misinterpret "over time" as time is a time measurement factor, when it's just a saying and shouldn't be understood as the time dimension.

Do you think super position involves time. Because thats the level of root consciousness thats involved in measuring c. Or are you just full of bull. Time is obviously involve in everything as it is omni present to all action. And consciousness deals with action. Stop trying to kid a kidder with bull.ha.

HexHammer wrote:Ginkgo

I think you misinterpret "over time" as time is a time measurement factor, when it's just a saying and shouldn't be understood as the time dimension.

I picked this article randomly as a means of providing an example. All we have is little more than an introduction. Nonetheless, the introduction to the article tells us what we need to know . It tells us the article will be talking about statistical variation over time. In other words, data relating the the similarity of particular type of signal over a specific time period. It is actually a time measurement factor.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_process

The reason temporal unity is introduced into the science of consciousness is simply because moments of experiences are not extensionless.

Ginkgo wrote:

HexHammer wrote:Ginkgo

I think you misinterpret "over time" as time is a time measurement factor, when it's just a saying and shouldn't be understood as the time dimension.

I picked this article randomly as a means of providing an example. All we have is little more than an introduction. Nonetheless, the introduction to the article tells us what we need to know . It tells us the article will be talking about statistical variation over time. In other words, data relating the the similarity of particular type of signal over a specific time period. It is actually a time measurement factor.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_process

The reason temporal unity is introduced into the science of consciousness is simply because moments of experiences are not extensionless.

This explains nothing about concousness, nor even if it was only a minor factor to experience over time, computers that record data doesn't become more concious over time just because they record data over long periods like years or even decades.

Seems you are on a misunderstood journey.

HexHammer wrote:

Ginkgo wrote:

HexHammer wrote:Ginkgo

I think you misinterpret "over time" as time is a time measurement factor, when it's just a saying and shouldn't be understood as the time dimension.

I picked this article randomly as a means of providing an example. All we have is little more than an introduction. Nonetheless, the introduction to the article tells us what we need to know . It tells us the article will be talking about statistical variation over time. In other words, data relating the the similarity of particular type of signal over a specific time period. It is actually a time measurement factor.

http://www.wikipedia.org/wiki/Poisson_process

The reason temporal unity is introduced into the science of consciousness is simply because moments of experiences are not extensionless.

This explains nothing about concousness, nor even if it was only a minor factor to experience over time, computers that record data doesn't become more concious over time just because they record data over long periods like years or even decades.

Seems you are on a misunderstood journey.

No, because I have never said this and never will. No one in the field of consciousness studies as ever made such a claim.

Ginkgo wrote:No, because I have never said this and never will. No one in the field of consciousness studies as ever made such a claim.

..SIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!

HexHammer wrote:

Ginkgo wrote:No, because I have never said this and never will. No one in the field of consciousness studies as ever made such a claim.

..SIGH!!!!!!!!!!!!

What I am saying is true. There is nothing in the literature claiming computers recording data become conscious over time.

There is a link to the film funding.
Www.indigogo.com/projects/one-2zero

Are some of us getting confused with time and the appearance of time?? I would like to address the appearance of time as a construct of consciousness. Time exists outside of this conscious appearance, but I would like to explore how they are associated. Anyone have something to offer?

I think it would be obvious if there were a conscious computer that arrived from simple collection of data over time. The collection of data is only a small part of consciousness. Am I missing something, or does the idea of collecting data over time as some sort of root to consciousness seem misguided? Many naturally made non-living things collect data. (Which is not to say data exists only if someone can decode it-physics may do that for us). I don't see the idea as salient.