E=MC2 a philosophical blunder.

[Blaggard]

Who boasts about their money on here?

People who are overly invested in wealth.

Blaggard is the same kind of person. Like socailists and Democrats, he operates from the crab-bucket mentality. He won't up his game, but persists in trying to drag others into the same bucket of half-assed beliefs where he rules the bottom-crabs. As an experiment, I informed him that I would be ignoring him, and did so. (Trying your proposal, months ago.) I did not even read his posts, but of course not not help observing their existence. When the "Pure Consciousness" thread we met on became an exercise in shmoozing, devoid of interesting content, I moved elsewhere. That blowfly Blaggard followed me everywhere, continuing to post insulting remarks. The moderators seem to value his presence on their forums (I've never posted a formal complaint about him), and I respect that. After all, what's a barn full of horses, without horseshit and blowflies? Philosophy is already an inbred system, and needs diversity. With diversity comes the ongoing challenges of balance.

That's because you're an intellectual coward, who got called out on your woefully inadequate maths and rather than admit your model was in fact wrong you threw your toys out of your pram and wailed "la lalalalalalalalala" I am not listening. Don't try and pretend otherwise you never answer questions that show your thinly veiled ID religion is all it is, the arm waving of an ill educated fraud about subjects he is not, and like most IDiots never will be qualified to discuss. If I am so stupid why did I tear your argument about mutation down to a laughable pile of contentless nothing based on a model of mutation that assumes there is not a gradation over time. Yeah fucking life cannot of involved from your model my big fat hairy ass. Take a genome and use the process of meiosis and meitosis and I can and did show you precisely how the mutations and cross genetics occur. But I bet you never read my links to actual peer reviewed science did you that showed how mutation could be modelled both in a single generation and across spans of millions of years did you, because you are too busy not studying or reading anything that disagrees with your mindless ID babble. Not only are you too cowardly to reply to posts that use science and maths to destroy your nonsense, you cherry pick "science" that agrees with you like Behe instead of actually attacking the science competently. Your arguments are disingenuous conformation bias and it's a waste of peoples time quite frankly to indulge someone as clearly unwilling to be challenged and one who is as ignorant of the subject as you are. No all we get is the same old God of the gaps arguments pedalled by those other frauds who are trying to pass religion off as science. I bet you started reading The Selfish Gene and then got bored when it turned out his speciation theories made sense and you could not fault them and then went off and read "God done it" By Behe or some other crackpot.

Yeah evolution can't of happened, prove it, send a paper to a journal, have it recognised as accurate, get yourself a theory or fuck off out of sciences dojo is my advice, because no one gives a damn about opinion. But then you wont will you which leaves you a bitter little man in a dark room looking for a light switch that doesn't exist. Like I say take your drivel and pedal it to some other people who are foolish enough to buy your insipid word salad. People who have the confidence to argue their beliefs don't ignore anyone and everyone who successfully challenged them, that does not show people that you are so much smarter than them, it shows people that you are arrogant and ill educated and incapable of tackling issues, which is precisely what everyone thinks trust me, despite your unshakeable assertion that you are smarter than every scientist who ever lived, and the only criteria you will recognise as being smart is buying snake oil from a fraud, no that El would make you gullible and a fool. See people who are right about something in science don't have to struggle to explain their ideas as hard, because the experiments are in, and the results are out there, where as people like you who seek to overturn a perfectly valid theory, expect a free ride rough shod past the scientific and philosophical process, it's disingenuous to call something philosophy of science that is a religion purely, so pack it in with the nomenclature violations as well please. ID science is not science, either, news flash even if Behe has a PhD in the subject his ideas are still widely derided as being poorly reasoned and completely ridiculous and he is at least qualified to discuss the subject, what does that make your waffle, basically it's weapons grade bolonium isn't it, be honest?

[Greylorn Ell]

Greyhorn will you stop insulting me.

You are by far the most remedial and uninformed braggart I have ever seen post on the internet. Your massive ego aside and your Napoleon complex aside, which clearly shows you are massively over compensating for one can only imagine you actually being a bit thick or having a tiny penis or something does not give you the right to abuse posters such as the above, or to mock them, you sanctimonious fraud.

Suffice to say keep me out of your inane rants about science keeping you down and how everyone except you the supra genius El Grey are being kept down by the fucking mole men or whatever other clearly vacuous garbage you want to vomit at people as if it makes any sense.

Thanks.

Physician heal thyself seeing as you don't have one numb nut.

Seriously is it a tiny penis? About the size of my little finger, or are we talking about a half mini gherkin sized deal?

Now go back to ignoring anything that challenges your tiny little world view you perpetual mushroom, and leave the real people to talk about real subjects that aren't the inane ramblings of an unqualified numpty.

Right I am going to err on the side of smaller than a peanut.

I have an IQ of 160 mate, I am studying for a degree in physics, and people who know me call me a bit of a know it all, calling me thick is rather amusing, stroll on you mushroom.

However I feel the Napoleon Complex thing has touched a nerve almost as if you recognise you are self agrandizing nobody in no field of science, and never will be known to anyone for anything.

I post arguments which you ignore, I don't throw insults at you unless you do at me, at least this time you have the balls to argue something even if it is mindless egotistical arm waving as usual. But then that is all well and good, there's nothing inherently wrong with a "fist fight" per se.

B,
Arguing with you is no fun. Tried it. Your style of conversation reminds me Beckel on Fox News. You and he are assertive bullies who have trouble framing literate sentences, and seem unwilling to present a cogent and thoughtful argument. I cannot distinguish unwilling from unable in either case. You and he are bullies by nature. Study him. You'll find another kindred spirit there.

However, I am tired of taking shit from you. If you want to engage me in serious discussion, than do so in civilized terms. Do not put down ideas you've not read. People who actually have IQs of 160 or better behave differently from you. I've had the good fortune to work for, and with, several such individuals. Some are arrogant, especially when young and seeking to prove their worth. They mellow as they age, but even when young, their brilliance is unmistakable without a formal intelligence evaluation.

One of their characteristics is that they are a pleasure to work for, and a joy to work with. If I propose an idea, such minds do not reject it out of hand. They ask questions and thoughtfully evaluate. After doing so they offer their opinions and corrections as to why my ideas were flawed, and sometimes suggest a better alternative. I pay attention to such people. My ideas have changed thanks to their input.

To be frank, I greatly doubt that you have an IQ of 160. Once I met a fellow whose life goal was to get into Mensa, and he achieved that goal. Nonetheless he was a relative dolt. Although a nice and well mannered person, he had no imagination that I could discern. I ignored him, and he disliked me, and that was fine. Then one day he chose to read a copy of my first book, and next thing, he wanted to befriend me. So we got to know one another. He was still an unimaginative person, but the fact that he wanted to be in the company of individuals smarter than himself said a lot.

After I got to know him, he disclosed that he had taken approximately 20 different IQ tests until he could find one that he could score highly enough on for Mensa membership.

It would be dishonest of me to say that I accept your 160 score, because so far you've only displayed the arrogant component of your mind, but the angry component even more so. I'd give you an anger IQ of 200+. So far, the only person I've encountered on these forums whose intelligence I'm compelled to respect is Gee. Sure I disagree with her. But she is thoughtful and well spoken, and expresses her disagreements with me and others in a civil manner, a manner that I am trying to emulate on good days. Yet, you have often treated her poorly. Sending shit in my direction I can understand, but sending her your anger makes no sense. That kind of behavior is customarily associated with pretentious, ignorant dolts, not with 160 IQ people

I would love to have conversations with a thoughtful open-minded physicist who is way smarter than me, but as I learned from the Mensan guy, numbers are often deceptive. If you have such an IQ, prove it. Here's how.

• Learn to form sentences that are grammatically coherent and well phrased. In other words, learn to write well. This skill will serve you well in the future.
• Thinking is a competitive sport only among those of ordinary intellect. Among physicists and other scientists, it is a cooperative effort, always a dance and never a fight. You cannot learn anything from a dancer who has been taught the same moves that you already know. You can learn only from a dancer who does things that you do not know, and who is willing to teach.
• When I first exposed my ideas to individuals considerably smarter than myself, and differently educated, the approach they took was to query, then to read what I'd written, then to discuss my ideas in the context of their knowledge and beliefs. This was all done in a civil manner, and the discussions were often emotional. These people demonstrated their intelligence by studying and understanding my ideas before questioning them. As a result, all of us got smarter. Emulate these excellent minds if you claim to be one yourself.
  
  The youth who refuses to learn from older men will forever remain an arrogant and ignorant youth. And trust me that it is not necessary to agree with someone to learn from him. None of the exceptional people from whom I learned the nuts and bolts of physics and astronomy agreed with any of my ideas. This led to spirited, often intense, and always civil conversations. That is how people who are exceptionally intelligent operate. That is why working with them is a joy and a privilege, often not fully appreciated until they are gone.
• Show me, and the rest of us your civility.
• Demonstrate your fairness and honesty in argument by arguing only against ideas that you know well, and have come to understand.
• Demonstrate flexibility of mind and the spirit of honest inquiry by studying source material related to your curiosity or complaints, then asking whatever questions you need to ask.
• Remember that no matter how bright you are, there is someone smarter.
• Also note that useful contributions to your understanding can come from someone far less intelligent, but who thinks divergently. (That's why the super-smart guys kept me around.)

I would prefer to have you as a friend and collaborator, but I rarely get what I'd like, and have learned to deal with what I get.

Now to the chase. Beon Theory was derived from physics, Catholicism, and paranormal experiences, but its current derivation came well after I'd finished my physics degree and went to work supporting self and family and paying off student loans. Had I somehow been able to know the current version of B.T. before studying physics, no doubt my take on certain physics principles would have been different, and my theory would also have developed differently.

Beon Theory has powerful implications for physics. No point explaining that here, but my book does that. If only the veridical parts of B.T. are correct, physics will change, and the physicist who is capable of formulating that change in formal mathematical terms will make the kind of difference that earns Nobel Prizes, and the kind of respect that Big Al and Richard Feynman received. No one has ever formally reconciled physics with theology.

You have an opportunity that I lacked. Now I could be a crackpot with bizarre ideas about the physics of theology, or I could be the shoulders upon which you might someday stand.

Read this a couple of times. Think about it before reacting.
Greylorn

P.S. It's late, so this is unedited, with apologies for that omission.

[Blaggard]

Learn to form sentences that are grammatically coherent and well phrased. In other words, learn to write well. This skill will serve you well in the future.

I'm fucking dyslexic you patronising twit. Learn not to be an arrogant twit.


Fuck me do you mock people in wheel chairs for not being able to walk too, add that to the list of people you mock which is now, poor people, scientists and the afflicted.

Thinking is a competitive sport only among those of ordinary intellect. Among physicists and other scientists, it is a cooperative effort, always a dance and never a fight. You cannot learn anything from a dancer who has been taught the same moves that you already know. You can learn only from a dancer who does things that you do not know, and who is willing to teach.

You can't learn anything with your head up your ass either but you seem to think you personally can.

When I first exposed my ideas to individuals considerably smarter than myself, and differently educated, the approach they took was to query, then to read what I'd written, then to discuss my ideas in the context of their knowledge and beliefs. This was all done in a civil manner, and the discussions were often emotional. These people demonstrated their intelligence by studying and understanding my ideas before questioning them. As a result, all of us got smarter. Emulate these excellent minds if you claim to be one yourself.

There is no one smarter than you, because anyone who disagrees with you which is everyone is an idiot by default.

And anyway did you start insulting them first and make them angry so that when they responded in kind you took on the façade of the martyr and hypocritically condemned them for it, because that's what you did, if you don't want people to be angry at them don't spend all your time patronising and insulting them. At least if you do don't expect them to respond favourably and act shocked when they don't.

The youth who refuses to learn from older men will forever remain an arrogant and ignorant youth. And trust me that it is not necessary to agree with someone to learn from him. None of the exceptional people from whom I learned the nuts and bolts of physics and astronomy agreed with any of my ideas. This led to spirited, often intense, and always civil conversations. That is how people who are exceptionally intelligent operate. That is why working with them is a joy and a privilege, often not fully appreciated until they are gone.

I'm 41 you dumb **** not a youth, stop patronising me.

Show me, and the rest of us your civility.

Why you were the one who started in with the insults and flames in the first place, I'm just responding in kind you fucking hypocrite.

Demonstrate your fairness and honesty in argument by arguing only against ideas that you know well, and have come to understand.

You first Monseir le Hypocrisé?

Demonstrate flexibility of mind and the spirit of honest inquiry by studying source material related to your curiosity or complaints, then asking whatever questions you need to ask.

All I am looking for from you is to explain your source material or link it if you can't then there's little point coming to an internet forum, you can't expect people to own a copy of something you are trying to debate that's what the url function is for.

It's not flexibility it's being willing to accept things for which there is no evidence, and maths that is so woefully nothing to do with a field that I am literally stunned you have the nerve to even suggest it. And what's more you still remain convinced you are right despite being shown you are wrong and how by both an explanation of how mutation actually works and studies on selection models over both year and millions of years.

Why don't you ask a Biology Professor why you are full of shit if you don't believe science journals. Seriously do you ever look at your arguments and say wait hold on I don't remotely understand the process of mutation in multicellular organism, at least not beyond a high school level, and so I am just going to make some exponentiation model up that is so far removed from how things work that the Irony police are looking to lock you up and throw away the key for eternity.

A logistical model may be where there is a relation squared by the the mutation coefficient in organisms at a level of sophistication denoted by S_n where each successive generation is S_n + 1.

But to honestly say that you can't get a set of organisms over a billion years because mutation is an exponential style model which is in no way how remotely genetic code accrues mutation or any other form of change is bat fuck insane. You do know sexual selection produces variety in and of itself I suppose which is not mutation right, which also has to be factored in as animals sharing certain combinations of traits such as strength and stamina for example are more beneficial than strength alone.

Are you are waware of the phases of meisos and meitosis where not just random mutations can accrue but where transposition of code causes a mixing of code on the various transposition sites of Chromosomes that can also in combination cause unique sets of genetic fitness that had not been seen before? Are you aware of things that advance speciation such as genetic drift and various other factors that do not promote speciation, such as the founder effect. Are you remotely aware of how DNA actually uses proteins to encode it, are you aware of how various phases physically and chemically work ie how the proteins enzymes "know" how to build a certain protein and hence are not likely to build proteins that are of detriment and how at a molecular level this affects the rate of expression in a cell. Do you know about the coefficient of coincidence which inhibits the likelihood of genes from simillar areas also being copied, which in turn can promote a greater chance of diversity. Do you know how junk DNA seems to stop certain important functional genes such as those that encode for energy synthesis from being changed by mutation, so as to reduce the likelihood of offspring that are dead long before birth. Did you factor any of the above into any real way in which genetic synthesis occurs when you claimed speciation and or mutation is inadequate to explain evolution?

In other words and put it simply are you even remotely qualified to make claims about whether evolution is a viable theory?

Remember that no matter how bright you are, there is someone smarter.

Not in your case of course though as all scientists are morons as they are keeping your work down because they are just too dumb to understand it.

Also note that useful contributions to your understanding can come from someone far less intelligent, but who thinks divergently. (That's why the super-smart guys kept me around.)

Well you are most likely far less intelligent than I am so educate me? I am well used to people treating me differently because I am smart and it scares them, usually though I don't have to put up with people calling me thick and illiterate, because a) I am quite a big guy and people don't or wouldn't do that too my face. And b) clearly I am neither and see no point in being modest about it. I was skipped ahead a year at school on two separate occasions, one school wanted to send me to a school for the very bright, but it was a private school and so we couldn't afford it. I don't have to explain how smart I am I know it. And I really don't care if you think I am an idiot or not, it is of no consequence to me whatsoever, what I do ask though is you refrain from calling me an illiterate idiot. Clearly I am not and I will not be talked down too by an arrogant twit.

I do like the idea though that you seem to measure a persons intelligence by how much he agrees with you, your woeful assertions that you must be right aside, this is of course a sign of a poor rational mind. You can't prove what you say so you have no idea whether you are right it doesn't hence follow if people don't understand why you think your odd arm waving makes sense they must be idiots. Philosophy of science works on areas that are already theoretical that are open to certain interpretations. It does not mean talking about some fanciful ideas as if they are sciencey. I really wish you would stop saying you are doing philosophy of science, philosophy would be discussing the various pros and cons of the punctuated equilibrium of Gould which explains the precambrian explosion and Dawkins ideas that dispute there is any such reason or need for such a model.

People who agree with you does not by the same token increase their IQ by some measure.

The onus is on you to both make people understand why you are reasoned and to prove it if not demonstrably at least in some philosophical way that is convincing, the fact that since being here for some considerable time and it's mostly all you ever talk about you have never managed it, either suggests it's because you are just plain wrong, or that you just aren't very good at explaining things, not that people who think you are full of it, are in some way mentally deficient, or speed reading your work or whatever nonsense you want to use to justify why people just don't get your odd slightly mad religion. It doesn't mean you are wrong, it just means if people who do understand quite a lot about the material you are promoting aren't buying into it, it is more likely it is because it is flawed, and this likelihood increases with time and the number of people who when exposed to your ideas just really can either not fathom them or why you insist on your reasoning or just think you are talking cavernous ass full stop.

There's no reason you can't continue to buy into your own personal Jesus, just remember you are the only one so far on this forum who is buying it, and don't expect people to be favourably inclined, they probably don't appreciate being called mentally deficient because they think your ideas are crazy to suddenly want to favour what seems at face value to be little more than a sort of new age religion.

And on a personal note please refrain from insulting my dyslexic writing style, it's really annoying. You can call me a thick idiot all you want, but I will not be told I am an idiot because I am not as grammatically adroit as many people. No fucking shit Sherlock, Dyslexic people are often hard to understand, and write in an odd way, some are worse than others, some you would never notice are dyslexic. Have you informed the tabloids that dyslexic people are sometimes shit at prose? Because this sort of insight needs to be brought to the attention of the media or at least you need to keep banging on about it all the time like it's an apotheosis of inspiration.

I don't want it thrown in my face every five minutes, if you can't understand something, ask, if you can and are just being some grammar Nazi you can blow it out of your ass.

[SpheresOfBalance]

...No I just can't stand people who are arrogant, they annoy me, it is for the same reason I attack SoB and anyone who claims to have all the answers.

Will you please stop your incessant lying, due to fear, and your need to always be correct, you are the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black. All you do is project, spewing your inadequacies.

I respond to like 2% of the threads here, yet you're dumb enough to say I think I'm always right, what a moron you portray. It would then be more proper to say that I don't know about 98% of the material contained on this site. You are thick, narrow of vision, only capable of looking down your own nose, and seeing it's tip! You just want notches on your belt, I doubt you care about philosophy at all, speaking of trolls, you were extremely quick, as a newbie, to start labeling regs as trolls. Yet another projection of self.

You were wrong on the star and Bob bits, grow up and take it like a man, little one!

[SpheresOfBalance]

Who boasts about their money on here?

Blagg did, but I think him mostly a poser!

[Blaggard]

Who boasts about their money on here?

Blagg did, but I think him mostly a poser!

When did I do that except when that guy pointed out I was poor and never had a decent job and would never have any money. It was he who was claiming money was the b all and end all. All I did was point out that to the contrary I was quite rich. How is that boasting, that's just idiotic.

[Blaggard]

...No I just can't stand people who are arrogant, they annoy me, it is for the same reason I attack SoB and anyone who claims to have all the answers.

Will you please stop your incessant lying, due to fear, and your need to always be correct, you are the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black. All you do is project, spewing your inadequacies.

I respond to like 2% of the threads here, yet you're dumb enough to say I think I'm always right, what a moron you portray. It would then be more proper to say that I don't know about 98% of the material contained on this site. You are thick, narrow of vision, only capable of looking down your own nose, and seeing it's tip! You just want notches on your belt, I doubt you care about philosophy at all, speaking of trolls, you were extremely quick, as a newbie, to start labeling regs as trolls. Yet another projection of self.

You were wrong on the star and Bob bits, grow up and take it like a man, little one!

Do you ever get bored of hearing your own self righteous voice? Stop telling me what I think. I genuinely dislike conceit and Grey is very patronising and tends to talk down to people. I meant that, for what its worth. You can't force me to think something I don't by force of will, it doesn't work that way.

Yeah I'm thick and an idiot and I suck and I am stupid and I am a moron. What the hell ever.

Fact remains though when have you ever said you made a mistake? You are always right, in fact if anyone points that out, they are clearly wrong, and yet you claim that you only post on topics that you know you are right about, which is in itself is actually in fact saying that you are always right. Because at the moment it's pretty clear you believe you are always right.

Yeah it seemed to me people were trolling and you have never accused anyone of being a troll I suppose. The moment you got here you knew everything about everyone even the crazies.

Yeah I had the decency to admit I was wrong about the star thing on the thread and apologised for the mistake, and if I had to I'd say the same about bob I would to amongst others, and in fact the reason I haven't pursued the trolling thing is I now realise they really are just that odd and despite it being absurd they really do believe what they write. So I fucked up, I couldn't believe people could be that weird and have such strange views without being trolls and not really meaning it, so what is your point?

In fact if I had to be honest I'd say I am wrong about a lot of things. But then I don't really have anything invested in me being right all the time, and I really don't find it at all bothersome if I am not.

I am here to learn about philosophy and I freely admit it is not my strong point, I am not here to do anything but that. I don't really care what you think about my motivations though because as you have proven before, no matter what I say you will tell me what I think, and then proceed to ignore what I really think so there really is very little point in being honest.

How about you give me more of my own opinions instead of listening and responding to what I say. Let's hear more of you telling me exactly what I think like you are some sort of parasite burrowing into my skull and leaching all my thoughts. That'll be fun.

[Greylorn Ell]

That's what I get for feeding a dyslexic troll. That at least explains his alleged 160 IQ, a dyslexic morphing from 106.

[Blaggard]

That's what I get for feeding a dyslexic troll. That at least explains his alleged 160 IQ, a dyslexic morphing from 106.

I am being honest, I am not trolling El all that I said is 100% sincere and in no way constitutes trolling. You need to learn the difference between actually attacking someone and insulting them in return for their flame war, and trolling. A troll starts a troll, does not flame but just sits back and watches the flames roll in, you are the one who came in all guns blazing calling me an idiot and and talking down to me.

As I said if you denounce demean and call people liars you will not find you are rewarded with healthy discussion. Apparently though as usual you can't answer any of my points because you are well aware that you were wrong about them and to do so would show you up for the fraud you are. This is not actually a contention is it and in no way would anyone think I was trolling you, because I am not at all am I. This is just your way of avoiding discussing anything because you can't answer the questions isn't it. Go on be honest. I am you should follow suit.

I am being 100% sincere in everything I say there is not an ounce of perfidy in any of it. And there is not an iota of wishing to make that so. Nor is it my intention to troll you. As I said it was you who started in with all the insulting dialogue, before on the original thread there was none of this. And yet you sow what you reap and the like the hypocrite you are you claim you are the affronted one, when you are throwing out insults and lfames left right an center, even when you aren't even reading anything I say! Be damned if I am going to sit back and be repeatedly talked down to and flamed from your ignore list either.

Suffice to say yes Bob siree that is indeed what you get when you launch tirades of flames against people, call them idiots for not understanding you when they have done nothing but address your arguments, and that is all you will get. I am not going to sit back and watch a condescending bully flame and demean me on any thread, and why you think I should is a mystery. How you have the nerve to call me a troll is beyond belief. You insult me you degrade me and you expect me to sit back and take it? And if I do respond that makes me a troll? You're even crazier than I thought.

I tell you one thing though you do like to use my dyslexia to belittle me again. How much of a small minded idiot do you have to be to mock people for being dyslexic. It's unbelievable the sort of depths you will plumb. I bet you'd knock a paraplegic for not being able to walk too wouldn't you. You're not big and you're not clever.

Once again El Almighty speaks, avoids tackling someone's arguments by insulting them as if they are the more benign of speakers and a martyr to these perfidious trolls that so bedeck the flame warriors majestic righteous castle. The benighted Saint waxes on but like all hypocrites his wax is just gesticulation he whacks off to.

[Greylorn Ell]

That's what I get for feeding a dyslexic troll. That at least explains his alleged 160 IQ, a dyslexic morphing from 106.

I am being honest, I am not trolling El all that I said is 100% sincere and in no way constitutes trolling. You need to learn the difference between actually attacking someone and insulting them in return for their flame war, and trolling. A troll starts a troll, does not flame but just sits back and watches the flames roll in, you are the one who came in all guns blazing calling me an idiot and and talking down to me.

As I said if you denounce demean and call people liars you will not find you are rewarded with healthy discussion. Apparently though as usual you can't answer any of my points because you are well aware that you were wrong about them and to do so would show you up for the fraud you are. This is not actually a contention is it and in no way would anyone think I was trolling you, because I am not at all am I. This is just your way of avoiding discussing anything because you can't answer the questions isn't it. Go on be honest. I am you should follow suit.

I am being 100% sincere in everything I say there is not an ounce of perfidy in any of it. And there is not an iota of wishing to make that so. Nor is it my intention to troll you. As I said it was you who started in with all the insulting dialogue, before on the original thread there was none of this. And yet you sow what you reap and the like the hypocrite you are you claim you are the affronted one, when you are throwing out insults and lfames left right an center, even when you aren't even reading anything I say! Be damned if I am going to sit back and be repeatedly talked down to and flamed from your ignore list either.

Suffice to say yes Bob siree that is indeed what you get when you launch tirades of flames against people, call them idiots for not understanding you when they have done nothing but address your arguments, and that is all you will get. I am not going to sit back and watch a condescending bully flame and demean me on any thread, and why you think I should is a mystery. How you have the nerve to call me a troll is beyond belief. You insult me you degrade me and you expect me to sit back and take it? And if I do respond that makes me a troll? You're even crazier than I thought.

I tell you one thing though you do like to use my dyslexia to belittle me again. How much of a small minded idiot do you have to be to mock people for being dyslexic. It's unbelievable the sort of depths you will plumb. I bet you'd knock a paraplegic for not being able to walk too wouldn't you. You're not big and you're not clever.

Once again El Almighty speaks, avoids tackling someone's arguments by insulting them as if they are the more benign of speakers and a martyr to these perfidious trolls that so bedeck the flame warriors majestic righteous castle. The benighted Saint waxes on but like all hypocrites his wax is just gesticulation he whacks off to.

Troll, blowfly, what does it matter? Whereever I post a comment, you show up with your bitching and whining, knowing nothing about what I write. You can insult me all you like, and I don't particularly care because I do not value your childish opinions.

You are a complete phony. You are not studying physics, else you'd not have the time for the deluge of bullshit you spew into this forum. Your IQ is proportionate to your manners. I suspect that you live with your parents, who bought you a computer so that you could pester others and maybe leave them alone-- they might be ashamed of themselves.

My image of you involves a pudgy young man, about 100 pounds overweight, with his basement library shelves populated by comic books, that you refer to as "graphic novels." Your teeth are yellowed from taking tetracycline to clear up the facial zits that you developed from gorging on pork rinds and cheetos. You have a pet hamster, knowing that a more intelligent animal like a cat would occasionally embarrass you with a demonstration of intelligence. You probably line its cage with pages torn out from your high school science textbook, and blame its pissing on your textbook your sorry "C" grade in that course.

Have I gotten it right? Or are you going to give us all a good chuckle by declaring that you're a 230 pound university quarterback with a 160 IQ, mastering physics in his spare time between verbal forum farting, football practice, and taking his pet hamster out for a walk? Or are you ready to fess up to being just a common freeloader, another of our affluent society's dregs, attacking those who have minds and ideas by way of compensation for being an ill-mannered, useless dolt?

If you would like me to stop returning your favors, leave me be. It's that simple.

[Blaggard]

The question remains despite you repeatedly insulting me, can you answer my arguments about biology or are you just yellow?

No mate you insult me and then I show up and insult you back, quid pro quo mate, you launch into a tirade against me then you claim I am attacking you, you keep starting it. If you want me to stop posting at you, stop insulting me, stop throwing out random insults at any time, and I wont feel the need to fuck with you. It's that fucking simple. Riddle me this batman who was it who insulted me without provocation on this thread? Was it you? Yeah it was wasn't it.

Aww are you feeling special now you've lied to yourself once again. Bless.

I am a 42 year old man who is studying physics and Maths at the Open University who has an IQ of 160 and was skipped ahead a year at school twice and would of been sent to a private school for the gifted if my parents had had the money. Whether you believe that or not means nothing to me, it is just the truth. You whining about reality though is your affair. Whine on though and when you have got over that can you explain to me how exponential maths explains a mutation system? No not going to happen. We all see what you are doing here avoiding being wrong by avoiding being wrong. We know what you are El, we know you are just chucking out flame wars at people who prove you absolutely wrong. And we know why you ignore anyone who makes a decent point. You can't handle the points that are made, and you are only digging a deeper and deeper hole by using an extensive ignore list to avoid them.

[Greylorn Ell]

The question remains despite you repeatedly insulting me, can you answer my arguments about biology or are you just yellow?

What arguments? All you've ever written is just crap, and if you wrote those arguments on the silly posts I didn't read, you'll need to reiterate them because I'm not going back.

Tell you what. You explain how evolutionary biology accounts for the 1.4 x 10exp-542 probability for the assembly of a small, 900 base-pair human gene, multiplied by 23,000 (the approximate number of genes in the human body, and I'll see what I can come back with-- iff you only answer with your own arguments, not by telling me to read Dawkins, etc. Likewise, no hand-waving Baynesian probability references, unless you do the mathematics.

That's because I don't have an ongoing conversation with Dawkins, etc., but do with you. Otherwise, STFU.

[SpheresOfBalance]

...No I just can't stand people who are arrogant, they annoy me, it is for the same reason I attack SoB and anyone who claims to have all the answers.

Will you please stop your incessant lying, due to fear, and your need to always be correct, you are the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black. All you do is project, spewing your inadequacies.

I respond to like 2% of the threads here, yet you're dumb enough to say I think I'm always right, what a moron you portray. It would then be more proper to say that I don't know about 98% of the material contained on this site. You are thick, narrow of vision, only capable of looking down your own nose, and seeing it's tip! You just want notches on your belt, I doubt you care about philosophy at all, speaking of trolls, you were extremely quick, as a newbie, to start labeling regs as trolls. Yet another projection of self.

You were wrong on the star and Bob bits, grow up and take it like a man, little one!

Do you ever get bored of hearing your own self righteous voice? Stop telling me what I think. I genuinely dislike conceit and Grey is very patronising and tends to talk down to people. I meant that, for what its worth. You can't force me to think something I don't by force of will, it doesn't work that way.

Yeah I'm thick and an idiot and I suck and I am stupid and I am a moron. What the hell ever.

Fact remains though when have you ever said you made a mistake? You are always right, in fact if anyone points that out, they are clearly wrong, and yet you claim that you only post on topics that you know you are right about, which is in itself is actually in fact saying that you are always right. Because at the moment it's pretty clear you believe you are always right.

Yeah it seemed to me people were trolling and you have never accused anyone of being a troll I suppose. The moment you got here you knew everything about everyone even the crazies.

Yeah I had the decency to admit I was wrong about the star thing on the thread and apologised for the mistake, and if I had to I'd say the same about bob I would to amongst others, and in fact the reason I haven't pursued the trolling thing is I now realise they really are just that odd and despite it being absurd they really do believe what they write. So I fucked up, I couldn't believe people could be that weird and have such strange views without being trolls and not really meaning it, so what is your point?

In fact if I had to be honest I'd say I am wrong about a lot of things. But then I don't really have anything invested in me being right all the time, and I really don't find it at all bothersome if I am not.

I am here to learn about philosophy and I freely admit it is not my strong point, I am not here to do anything but that. I don't really care what you think about my motivations though because as you have proven before, no matter what I say you will tell me what I think, and then proceed to ignore what I really think so there really is very little point in being honest.

How about you give me more of my own opinions instead of listening and responding to what I say. Let's hear more of you telling me exactly what I think like you are some sort of parasite burrowing into my skull and leaching all my thoughts. That'll be fun.

You know what's funny, that almost 100% of how you "characterize" me, is like you saying that you flew to the moon with your arms and a prayer, and I truly believe it's 100% your projection, because the majority of what you complain about, you do to others. As I said before, you are the epitome of the pot calling the kettle black, seriously! You seem to believe that you see 100% of whats in yourself, in others. It would seem that in truth you can't stand yourself, so you blame it on everyone else. I think you need to try some therapy!

If you really have money maybe that's the problem, like I said earlier maybe you're just a spoiled brat, used to getting his way all time time, what don't you buy with money? Mates? Friends? Maybe a mom and dad? Frack you're probably so used to buying people, it just kills you here, to actually have to EARN someones respect! You can't buy me son, thus I can't be sold!!!!!

Me, I got nothing but kicks in the teeth the majority of my life, a lot of pain in this one my friend, I sometimes cry at the simplest loving embrace, depending on the situation. All you need is love, just like the Beatles said, and my trip has been to not have really realized such things. All I've ever wanted was for someone to really want me, yes just like that Cheap Trick tune, I don't want to own anybody, I want to look in their eyes and see me, while they look into mine and see them. Does that sound like someone that purposely kicks people in the teeth every chance they get? Our particular frames of reference couldn't be more opposite, try 180! The only way to know for sure, that anyone truly loves you, is to have nothing they want or desire, except your self!

I do philosophy here in that I find those words that no one can say in truth, the absurd that people say without really thinking or understanding it themselves, that it pisses off the confused is the point, in trying to enlighten them as to ideas that they may have never considered. What the hell is this place for, or any place for that matter, than to share with others that which one has found to be true?

P.S. The answer to that crap in the previous message of grey-what-the-frack's is child's play!

[vegetariantaxidermy]

You seem nice to me SoB (unfortunate acronym though )

[SpheresOfBalance]

The question remains despite you repeatedly insulting me, can you answer my arguments about biology or are you just yellow?

What arguments? All you've ever written is just crap, and if you wrote those arguments on the silly posts I didn't read, you'll need to reiterate them because I'm not going back.

Tell you what. You explain how evolutionary biology accounts for the 1.4 x 10exp-542 probability for the assembly of a small, 900 base-pair human gene, multiplied by 23,000 (the approximate number of genes in the human body, and I'll see what I can come back with-- iff you only answer with your own arguments, not by telling me to read Dawkins, etc. Likewise, no hand-waving Baynesian probability references, unless you do the mathematics.

That's because I don't have an ongoing conversation with Dawkins, etc., but do with you. Otherwise, STFU.

Evolution dipshit! Who, that was actually there, through the eons no less, moron, to take you step by step, could you ask, shit for brains! IT WAS A VERY SLOOOOOWWW, much like your brain, process that took "eons," from the simplest chemical mixtures, to the complexity of the day. Lets see, the Earth was formed about 4.54 billion years ago and the earliest life on Earth existed at least 3.5 billion years ago, that's a hell of a lot of time for change to take place, incrementally, much like your thought processes. The earliest form of writing only goes back to 7000 BC, so subtract that plus 2014 from 3.5 billion, then use your imagination if you have any. It doesn't matter what the EXACT SEQUENCE WAS, yet it's evidently true. That's the problem with dumb short lived humans, what 100 meager years, that is if you're extremely lucky, that tries to fathom, what for all intents and purposes, is infinity, they just seemingly don't have that capability, then there is the MASSIVE size of the universe, and most peoples brains are inundated (swamped). So your's... Well just forget about it!