~ Two Realities ~

[Blaggard]

Care to address my comment that you think it's OK for the government to forcibly take money from one person and give it to another? That's the basis of Communism or Socialism, my friend.

The government doesn't forcibly take money from people and give it to others so it's just meaningless waffle. I get it you don't want to pay tax because you see it as robbery. Still makes no fucking sense to call taxation communism though. In that case every country in the world with the exception of those who don't have tax systems are communist which is patently nonsense.

I'm not talking about taxation, I'm talking about the government taking money from one person by way of taxes, and giving it to another person by way of a handout. That's Communism or Socialism, take your pick, sucker!

You're a very strange person, yeah I know what social welfare is but does the fact the US gives welfare to the most poor mean the US is socialist or communist? Does free schooling till age 18 mean you might as well paint the US flag red and put a hammer and cycle on it?

Your politics is so partisan that you have no real political perspective it seems.

Also the government gives you a choice you can either pay taxes or you can go to a country which doesn't pay taxes, it's not like they are forcing you to live in the US because you can quite easily leave at any time, so the idea that they forcibly steal your money and give it to others is a nonsense, its tea party rhetoric and it's also bullshit as usual. Two places that spring to mind are Cyprus where they don't pay tax, or in England there's Jersey. In fact most countries have easily accessible places you can move to if you don't want to pay tax, so why bitch about it, just move to a tax haven, there's many in the Caribbean for example.


Luxembourg—primarily a conduit tax haven[29]

Other sovereign countries that have such low tax rates and lax regulation that they can be considered semi-tax havens are:[30]

Ireland[31]
Netherlands—primarily a conduit tax haven[29]

Non-sovereign jurisdictions commonly labelled as tax havens include:

Jersey[32]
Isle of Man

British Overseas Territory
Bermuda[33]
British Virgin Islands[34][35]
Cayman Islands[36]

Delaware, United States[37]
Puerto Rico (United States)[38]

from this: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tax_haven

[bobevenson]

Does the fact the US gives welfare to the most poor mean the US is socialist or communist? Does free schooling till age 18 mean you might as well paint the US flag red and put a hammer and cycle on it? Yes, this is all despotic socialism. You would probably be for the government giving everybody free food, clothing and shelter until they're 18, right?

Also the government gives you a choice you can either pay taxes or you can go to a country which doesn't pay taxes, it's not like they are forcing you to live in the US because you can quite easily leave at any time, so the idea that they forcibly steal your money and give it to others is a nonsense.
If you leave the United States, you still have to pay U.S. taxes unless you renounce your citizenship.

[Blaggard]

[quote=""bobevenson""]Does the fact the US gives welfare to the most poor mean the US is socialist or communist? Does free schooling till age 18 mean you might as well paint the US flag red and put a hammer and cycle on it? Yes, this is all despotic socialism. You would probably be for the government giving everybody free food, clothing and shelter until they're 18, right? [/quote]

Straw man.

There's a big difference between having some social policies and being a socialist or communist nation or state obviously.

Also the government gives you a choice you can either pay taxes or you can go to a country which doesn't pay taxes, it's not like they are forcing you to live in the US because you can quite easily leave at any time, so the idea that they forcibly steal your money and give it to others is a nonsense.
If you leave the United States, you still have to pay U.S. taxes unless you renounce your citizenship.

God you really do live in some sort of fascist state over there don't you. That's not communism that's plain and simple right wing fascism.

Oh well renounce citizenship move to Europe ask for asylum from you oppressive regime on the grounds of human rights to self determination. Since you are an ex member of a state that is well recognised as wealthy you should have no problems getting into any European country or actually any Westernised country at all including Australia, Japan, New Zealand etc.

I don't understand I must admit, if I left England and moved to Cyprus say, I wouldn't still have to pay UK taxes, in fact I would have to pay nothing in tax, which probably explains why a fair number of English ex pats move there or to Gibraltar, Guernsey etc, that seems antithetical to your basic human rights to me. Apparently your country owns you.

Paying tax to a country that has absolutely no bearing on you as a person seems somewhat draconian, it is however hardly communism. For example even in Communist Russia where it was very hard to leave, if you did manage to get out you weren't followed to the ends of the Earth by tax collectors, although the KGB would probably keep their eye on you, or try to recruit you.

Edit: to put the quotes in the right places and so on, didn't change the text, honest!

[bobevenson]

It doesn't matter what you call a government: socialist, communist, fascist, democratic, republic, etc., etc., etc., the only thing that counts is whether you have the right to be left alone by the government, and can enjoy whatever life pleases you without interfering with other people, and without the government interfering with you; and whether you are entitled to the fruits of your labor without the government forcibly giving part of it to somebody else. There is no country on Earth that qualifies, and my proposed American Energy Party (AEP) offers the only viable alternative.

[Blaggard]

It doesn't matter what you call a government: socialist, communist, fascist, democratic, republic, etc., etc., etc., the only thing that counts is whether you have the right to be left alone by the government, and can enjoy whatever life pleases you without interfering with other people, and without the government interfering with you; and whether you are entitled to the fruits of your labor without the government forcibly giving part of it to somebody else. There is no country on Earth that qualifies, and my proposed American Energy Party (AEP) offers the only viable alternative.

Ok indulge me what is your manifesto?

[Bill Wiltrack]

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You, my friend, are not a citizen of America, you are a parasite.





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[bobevenson]

It doesn't matter what you call a government: socialist, communist, fascist, democratic, republic, etc., etc., etc., the only thing that counts is whether you have the right to be left alone by the government, and can enjoy whatever life pleases you without interfering with other people, and without the government interfering with you; and whether you are entitled to the fruits of your labor without the government forcibly giving part of it to somebody else. There is no country on Earth that qualifies, and my proposed American Energy Party (AEP) offers the only viable alternative.

Ok indulge me what is your manifesto?

Well, it's not written down yet in a document, but the operational procedure for the AEP will be to select the ideal state, the ideal county, and the ideal city to establish its headquarters. It will gain membership through a strategy called the Champagne Sherry Principle, that gets people to vote for you and not the candidate. The AEP will maintain an adversarial relationship with the city, county and state until it controls all of them. It will then confront the federal government, and symbolically nail a list of mandatory government changes to the door of the White House versus secession from the USA.

[prof]

Bud Konheim has a message for all of the 99 percenters: You're luckier than you think. ... He said the 99ers should stop complaining....

...He added that "the guy that's making, oh my God, he's making only $35,000 a year, why don't we try that out in India ...."
... he's absolutely right.

So if you make $35,000 a year now here in the U.S.A, move to India, and that will improve the quality of your life.

GOOD THINKING, BOB

[bobevenson]

Bud Konheim has a message for all of the 99 percenters: You're luckier than you think. ... He said the 99ers should stop complaining....

...He added that "the guy that's making, oh my God, he's making only $35,000 a year, why don't we try that out in India ...."
... he's absolutely right.

So if you make $35,000 a year now here in the U.S.A, move to India, and that will improve the quality of your life.

GOOD THINKING, BOB

Obviously, you miss the point entirely. What the man is saying is that people who are considered poor here would be considered rich in most of the world.