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The Voice of Time wrote:
bobevenson wrote:
The Voice of Time wrote:Do we not all know what he did, Bob?
Too bad England can't be like Norway, where people like you are judge, jury, prosecutor and jailer, all rolled up into one.
Actually, there's something called "lekdommer": http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lay_judge#Norway

Read an article that people from the US was taking a look at the system and might want to copy it.

I probably wouldn't be allowed to be judge or jury as I'm not up for very serious jobs like that (theoretically speaking I could be prosecutor, and if I applied and got good degrees on the police academy, I might theoretically become a jailer, both of course are too serious jobs for me), but I have no interest in that either, my foremost thoughts is that he should be tried and that there better be some seriously good reasons if he's not found guilty (the option is there always, but it's thin).
"Lay judges are not considered to be representative of the population. About 75% of lay judges are nominated by the political parties in Norway."

In other words, lay judges in Norway are just political hacks.
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That one I cannot confirm, though it may be so. If it is like that, I dunno why.
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The Voice of Time wrote:That one I cannot confirm, though it may be so. If it is like that, I dunno why.
It's from the same Wikipedia article you linked to.
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bobevenson wrote:
The Voice of Time wrote:That one I cannot confirm, though it may be so. If it is like that, I dunno why.
It's from the same Wikipedia article you linked to.
Yes, but I'm not certain it is correct. In fact, when you check the sources, there is no clue to that claim, and the sources speak instead of Germany, which cannot be taken for the same as Norway.

Besides that, the way Lekdommer functions I can somewhat confirm, because I know it by living here.
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The Voice of Time wrote:
bobevenson wrote:
The Voice of Time wrote:That one I cannot confirm, though it may be so. If it is like that, I dunno why.
It's from the same Wikipedia article you linked to.
Yes, but I'm not certain it is correct. In fact, when you check the sources, there is no clue to that claim, and the sources speak instead of Germany, which cannot be taken for the same as Norway.

Besides that, the way Lekdommer functions I can somewhat confirm, because I know it by living here.
Why don't you consult Norway's official website on the subject at http://www.domstol.no/en/?
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bobevenson wrote:Why don't you consult Norway's official website on the subject at http://www.domstol.no/en/?
Vice choice:
Et prinnsipp i den norske rettstaten er at en skal dømmes av sine likemenn. Derfor velger kommunene lekdommere som tjenstgjør som meddommere eller lagrettemedlemmer. Disse er i flertall i alle straffesaker som ikke avgjøres ved tilståelsesdom.
In translation:
A principle of the Norwegian Justice State is that people should be judged by their equals. Therefore the municipalities choose lay-judges to service with as co-judges or jury-members. These are the majority in any case of punishment which is not decided by cases of confession/admitting-of-guilt
Because municipalities are lead by local political parties it is therefore not wild to assume that local government officials would make out a large part of the lay-judges. I didn't find any concrete information or facts on the subject, however. It is important to remember, though, that local municipalities are not ruled by mayors (though mayors certainly exist), but are by large ruled in cooperation with all local parties, so while many politicians may serve as lay-judges, it should be somewhat equal in terms of political affiliation, that that is all assumption, I have not concrete facts on the subject.
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"Arrest Blair!"
It would be good to see him in handcuffs, being escorted into court, maybe also with a bag over his head. But he is the system, he is part of the network. He is too big to fail, if you like. A gigantic shift would have to occur. A world that would prosecute Blair is as yet only imaginary. Among his ilk he is lauded and respected for what he's done. You could call it realpolitik. His actions are legitimised as being a necessary evil.
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