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homegrown wrote:V.O.T: I think I did a fairly representative survey of the issues that interest me. Epistemology, morality and ethics, science, religion etc. I acknowledged that I might have missed something. You suggest I'm in error but fail to point anything out. Take you on?? Bah!
"fairly representative survey"? What kind of person does a survey? You mean more like a scouting, right? You didn't sit with a pen and pencil writing down every thread and noting how many you approved of or not? Because that'd be a lot of waste of time. You find interesting things by jumping into it, not by analysis.

I seldom ever read science or religion forums, I find both quite boring, but I'm quite active in both Epistemology, Applied Ethics and Ethical Theory. I can't point anything out, it's like asking a stubborn little kid who has decided to be negative whether he wants this toy or that toy. He'll just be a pain in the ass. So I'll just say that you'll have to jump into things and find something interesting by effort, and remember that if you don't understand the point of a thread it doesn't mean it doesn't have a good point, it just means you're an idiot. I can't point out good topics to stubborn little kids who has decided to be negative :)
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V.O.T. Please watch the video. I'm God and U know it!
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homegrown wrote:V.O.T. Please watch the video. I'm God and U know it!
what video?

and I don't believe in any other God than myself, thank you.
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quite right. Seek and ye shall find!
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homegrown wrote:quite right. Seek and ye shall find!
Oh god, another megalomaniac ^^ The reason I know that is because your use of words, they are vague and nonsensically used. Oh your sentences has meaning, but it carries with it a logical meaning whose contents lacks enlightening of the individual, it doesn't say anything factual not already known (and it belittles things that are already known, such as "no fundamental differences", which is nonsense, there are lots of fundamental differences, although because of the vagueness of the word you can eternally argue about what is to be termed "fundamental" and not) and therefore it becomes a kind of "this is what I want!" shout to the world. People usually use words in that way when they want to test their ability to use them at all, or when they want to inspire emotions in people they meet because of the heavy positive loading of such words. Video has poor quality and I can barely hear what you say.

Btw, I'm the one who's going to save the world, so you back off my territory!
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That's two of us then! Surely you must agree that acting upon valid knowledge of reality is necessary! Meglo - no! I see myself a signpost- with the emphasis on the post! I show where to build the bridge to the future - I don't know how to build bridges. Nonsensical?? Are you sure you understood? Please exemplify fundamental difference in culture i.e. not necessarily so, relative to what is necessary by virtue of evolution. For example - all cultures do language, but in different ways. All cultures do religion music, art, agriculture, architecture, jewelery, pottery...etc, but in different ways. ( rest of rant ignored as meaningless )

Sorry about the quality of the video and sound - it's better if you got speakers! I use the words I think will most closely approximate/communicate my meaning. I accept that the same word may have different connotations for someone not classically educated.

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I'd say having a different religion in and of itself can be quite a fundamental difference to some people and has caused quite a lot of ethnic-religious tensions throughout millennia ^^ Again, you belittle by zooming out extremely much on the issue, until you no longer see the actual problems.

The problem then is that you have zoomed out of reality itself.

My motto with my philosophy, if any, is that philosophy is there to make solutions, and you don't solve a problem by, as you do, ignoring it.
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OK. I understand your point. But given that Muslim religion is as groundless as Judaism or Christianity, what's the diff? Do you expect me to judge if isalm is more or less valid that judaism?? Wrong question! I assure you I'm asking, and answering the right questions!
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homegrown wrote:OK. I understand your point. But given that Muslim religion is as groundless as Judaism or Christianity, what's the diff? Do you expect me to judge if isalm is more or less valid that judaism?? Wrong question! I assure you I'm asking, and answering the right questions!
Groundless? What makes you say it's groundless at all? I'm sure there's a lot of grounding in all religions, whether they are correct in relationship with reality is another question, but that wouldn't have anything to do with grounding. And I didn't expect you to judge anything, that's attributing intentions to me that were never there.

The last sentence remains to be seen, but I have my doubts. I smell newbie, and newbies are terrified not to be able to prove themselves where they think they belong. My best advice is chill and enjoy. However, if you want to go hard on hard I'm open for measuring brain power, I'm never afraid to loose, because philosophy only grows where there's conflict of opinion (and a certain degree of sophistication, of course), so even if I lost in a discussion I would've done philosophy a service.
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Bill, I'm sad you think of being educated as losing. If you can prove me wrong I'll welcome it - that I can then integrate that into my future understanding. My previous comments were bombastic, but deservedly so! Not so? Why? Teach me! Please.

You saw the video and picked up on nothing more than a generic point about possible interpretations of the use of certain terms. What about what I'm saying??

Thoughts?

None?

Interesting phenomena in itself!

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Are you talking to me? Because my name's not Bill.
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oh, darn, sorry, Voice of Time! Yep, talking to you!
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think i had enough beer so...until next week, seeya! hg.
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homegrown wrote:oh, darn, sorry, Voice of Time! Yep, talking to you!
Okay then. I can't remember saying that being educated is losing. Another attempt at attributing me things I have not said.

I'll teach you why they do not deserve to be bombastic, because bombastic itself would not exemplify anything. If you wish to impress because you think you are smart in some way then you show us why we should be impressed by providing threads and posts yourself, and we can all judge you by them. Do you have ingenious solutions to problems? Do you know questions which none of us have asked yet or a way of rewording those questions in new ingenious ways? That kind of thing.

About what you were saying in the video: you have no proof that humanity is about to be extinct in any way or is on the course of it.
"i don't think there's much of a controversy that humanity is threatened with extinction"
Now that's the kind of thing that I'm talking about in terms of vagueness. Of course, in many angles you could say that humanity is threatened, but "a threat" is not an action or process which has any innate "value". Meaning, that in theory a lot of ants around the place I live are threatened by me possibly stepping on them, however, how many of them are actually gonna be stepped on in the course of say one year? I'd say quite a few, and still, there's "a threat" there. But the threat isn't worth taking seriously, I'm not about to make extinct the local ants just because there's a threat to them all that I might step on them. Words without value are nonsensical in relation to any imperative or modal auxiliary verbs!
it's only in denial of the truth that science is valid knowledge of reality
valid... what a nice word. So who decides what's valid or not? I guess we humans do, and where do our validity stem from? Philosophy, our ideas on the world, all of its content, and how it is. Meaning, that you first must have a philosophical idea of the world before you can make a scientific one. If you were to make a choice, one scientific fact that proves women are less brainy than men, and another, which says women are the equals of men, which one would you go for? I would go for the second, because I know that whoever made the scientific "discovery" had a philosophical agenda behind it, so the person would angle the "truth" the way they want it to be portrayed. Because the second knowledge isn't "valid knowledge of reality", as you put it, it can't be taken into account. Unless of course you have some ideology that says "this is garbage, we can't let ourselves be dictated by unfairly designed experiments! We can't... ehm... validate this".

The experiment may or may not be true, but whatever the outcome of the experiment, taking it into account would be abusive to women's right for self-fulfilment. A right, which, comes from ideology.

Science only tells us one thing: whether what we thought to be facts actually are facts. The rest is philosophy, pseudo-philosophy, religion and non-specific opinion.
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homegrown wrote:V.O.T. Please watch the video. I'm God and U know it!

I think It's becoming clear, what it is, that you are growing at home.
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