Hi

[reasonvemotion]

Won`t go into detail but ............

Somehow I think you will.

Is this going to turn into a thread for you to express your nihilism ad nauseum.

[duszek]

Solitude is when one does not feel liked by anybody in the world.

Does one get depressed then ?

[The Voice of Time]

surely one can be solitary without having to not feel liked ^^ fame and glory might even feel repulsive to some people, preferring the quiet, simple and humble life of purely oneself.

[duszek]

Fame and glory are not what I mean by feeling liked by someone. I do not mean admiration either.

Nietzsche was a loner but he had some friends. Oberbeck and some more.

Some people feel liked by a pet. At least this.

If I felt disliked by everybody in the whole world I would feel that there was something very wrong with me.

Famous people are often disliked and envied. They are liked by some snobs, but is it not defective liking ?

[The Voice of Time]

You failed in that reply to tell me what you meant ^^ in a world where admiration is not intertwined with liking I have no understanding.

I guess it's somehow possible to admire Stalin for building the greatest military-industrial political entity (given you like guns, especially big guns) throughout history without liking him... do you mean like that? Admiration as a selective form of picking likings while liking itself is absolute and you have to like the majority or everything (as in you like him so much you can overlook his mass-killings)? (I do not support this definition myself, but I'm trying to get at what you mean)

[duszek]

Is admiration a condition sine qua non for liking someone ?

= Is it necessary to admire someone in order to like someone ?

I like some people here (I prefer not to tell whom to avoid embarrassment), but I cannot think of anything particularly admirable in them.

Perhaps you use the terms "like" and "admire" interchangeably and I don´t.

Example:
I like someone who has never hurt me and who displays some reliable basic decency.

[duszek]

I could like someone because of his reassuring presence and his friendly smile.

Is it not enough for liking ?

[The Voice of Time]

Is admiration a condition sine qua non for liking someone ?

= Is it necessary to admire someone in order to like someone ?

I like some people here (I prefer not to tell whom to avoid embarrassment), but I cannot think of anything particularly admirable in them.

Perhaps you use the terms "like" and "admire" interchangeably and I don´t.

Example:
I like someone who has never hurt me and who displays some reliable basic decency.

I did not say they were interchangeable. Surely an apple is a fruit, but a fruit doesn't have to be an apple. And if you want to argue it only counts for categorical existences, then surely there are apples in an apple-cake, but there doesn't have to be cake in an apple. So when I say intertwined, I mean that the property would span both types of objects. In terms of admiration, it would be apple-cake, whereas liking would be apple.

[duszek]

You said you did not know what I meant so I made an effort to explain what I meant by liking as not depending on admiration.

Have I succeded ?

I did not say that you said that they were interchangeable. I dared to offer an explanation why you did not understand what I meant.
If you do not agree with this explanation then say so. I do not insist.

Peace.

[duszek]

I have noticed an editing:

So the bigger whole is liking and a sub-whole of the whole liking is admiration ?

If I admire I like.
If I like I may admire, but not necessarily so.

[The Voice of Time]

You said you did not know what I meant so I made an effort to explain what I meant by liking as not depending on admiration.

Have I succeded ?

I did not say that you said that they were interchangeable. I dared to offer an explanation why you did not understand what I meant.
If you do not agree with this explanation then say so. I do not insist.

Peace.

no, not succeeded yet. Do you actually contest my claim that you don't have to not be liked by people to end up being solitary... ?

[The Voice of Time]

I have noticed an editing:

So the bigger whole is liking and a sub-whole of the whole liking is admiration ?

If I admire I like.
If I like I may admire, but not necessarily so.

That would be wrong, since then admiration would be a "part" of liking, which it is not. Admiration stands by itself, it only contains a property of "liking", which also exists in the object of "liking" (this meaning: liking is both a property, and an object. There is both an "object" called liking and a "property" called liking. There are however other properties to the object of liking as well which are not part of the property of liking, different associations for instance. These different associations can be on standby in our mind because we do not need them, they are perhaps well called "extrinsic" properties, whereas the "intrinsic" properties contain among things the property of "liking")